tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post1700447193599410445..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Ejection 107: Sam Holbrook (5)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-74344102659823589102012-08-08T13:30:25.168-07:002012-08-08T13:30:25.168-07:00I think any appeal review containing the word &quo...I think any appeal review containing the word "buttocks" is funny. Juvenile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-73306358487099261472012-08-08T01:25:18.453-07:002012-08-08T01:25:18.453-07:00After review, the Original Ruling has been affirme...After review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed in a unanimous 4-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Four Appeals Board members voted to confirm Quality of Correctness.<br /><br />Majority Opinion, <b>tmac</b>:<br />after review I am confirming the call as replays indiccate the tag occurred on the left buttocks after an inital miss.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, <b>Albertaumpire</b>:<br />After reviewing the play 15 times...I got the right angle to look at and i too agree. Confirm. <br /><br />Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Confirmed: <b>Jeremy, tmac, Albertaumpire, RichMSN</b><br />Upheld: None<br />Overturned: None<br />Deferred: None<br />Abstained: <b>Gil (Posted Original Ruling), BillMueller, yawetag (owns -cc West)</b><br /><br />Quality of Correctness has been affirmed, 4-0.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79995785193918083742012-08-06T21:23:14.655-07:002012-08-06T21:23:14.655-07:00Or you could just check the box score.Or you could just check the box score.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-67300009452497054832012-08-06T14:48:57.804-07:002012-08-06T14:48:57.804-07:00It was Holbrook who ejected Laird. This is not app...It was Holbrook who ejected Laird. This is not apparent in the video, but I watched both feeds on MLB.TV and you can see as Seddon is about to deliver the pitch, Joe West is ready in his stance and then time is called not by West. West removes his mask slowly and does not even look in the direction of Laird. Then he most likely sees Holbrook give an ejection signal and you can actually see Joe mouth very quietly "who?" in the direction of Holbrook. I am 100% positive Holbrook did the ejecting.Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00077541258320019256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-60795885323987615382012-08-06T13:59:45.064-07:002012-08-06T13:59:45.064-07:00How was it determined that the first base umpire e...How was it determined that the first base umpire ejected Laird?<br /><br />I thought Country Joe West, the home plate umpire, ejected Laird and then Leyland.<br /><br />Leyland went out to first base to confirm that the 1st base umpire didn't do anything.<br /><br />He then went to Country Joe to ask why Country Joe needed to get involved at all.SteveJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15715441798086433716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-31396813496038642442012-08-06T07:37:49.900-07:002012-08-06T07:37:49.900-07:00There should also be a rule that you have to be in...There should also be a rule that you have to be in the league to be able to challenge. Id say that should matter a little more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-17017921055481153992012-08-05T21:14:51.635-07:002012-08-05T21:14:51.635-07:00That would be a good rule because there have been ...That would be a good rule because there have been a ton of frivolous challenges this season. However, this is not one of them. Based on the replays I have seen (Clev and Det broadcasts)the call is close enough there is good chance it could be changed to at least inconclusive.Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00077541258320019256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-81776619262606991872012-08-05T20:53:16.693-07:002012-08-05T20:53:16.693-07:00There should be a rule that a challenge from the o...There should be a rule that a challenge from the owner of the umpire must be seconded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-18385039282671249272012-08-05T19:33:02.743-07:002012-08-05T19:33:02.743-07:00He is tagged in the shoulder before he gets to fir...He is tagged in the shoulder before he gets to first. Indians Feed shows he gets him in the shoulder. The tigers feed looks like he missed the tag but clearly shows he was short of the bag. Any way you can sync up the feeds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-87453969736786227602012-08-05T19:26:50.313-07:002012-08-05T19:26:50.313-07:00This ruling has been challenged and is under revie...This ruling has been challenged and is under review by the UEFL Appeals Board.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-72368194069833665632012-08-05T18:22:33.352-07:002012-08-05T18:22:33.352-07:00The Indians angle actually puts more doubt to the ...The Indians angle actually puts more doubt to the call being incorrect. It shows that Laird was in fact tagged on the shoulder after Seddon missed him initially. However, I cannot tell if he was already at first or not. I would not categorize this as a blown call, maybe a missed call, but not a blown one. I am getting a little tired of Sam Holbrook dugout watching/listening. 3 of his 5 ejections have been from someone in the dugout and all of them seemed uncalled for (see Scioscia ejection on 5/9). Also 3 of his 4 ejections last year were from the dugout. It just looks bad to constantly be dugout listening. Focus on the game. One thing I will say is Holbrook's demeanor during all of these arguments is excellent. He never yells and is always willing to calmly explain something to the player/Manager. He didn't really get a chance to on this one, but you could tell he would've been fine talking to Laird. It is also possible Laird said something stupid, he has been know to be kind of a hothead and is usually good for 1 ejection per year so it wouldn't surprise me if he did something stupid. I just wish Sam would have a little thicker skin becuase he is such a good Umpire. I am starting to like him less and less because of these type of ejections. If if it was a one time thing I wouldn't be putting up a fuss, but this is becoming a reccuring theme for him.Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00077541258320019256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78519263385747023262012-08-05T18:12:20.331-07:002012-08-05T18:12:20.331-07:00Challenge
He was taged before he got to the bag.Challenge<br /><br />He was taged before he got to the bag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38893518703661148622012-08-05T17:59:38.356-07:002012-08-05T17:59:38.356-07:00Laird must have continued arguing, or spiked his e...Laird must have continued arguing, or spiked his equipment, or something, because I am pretty sure Sam Holbrook knows you can't eject someone for no reason. His explanation was enough to satisfy Jim Leyland, so I'm sure the ejection was warranted.<br /><br />Based off of the video provided by MLB, I'm not entirely certain the call was incorrect. That video is inconclusive if you ask me. Does anybody have a different angle available?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-58862593014192035812012-08-05T17:33:26.393-07:002012-08-05T17:33:26.393-07:00http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23642...http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23642939&c_id=mlbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-11870595600198565912012-08-05T16:23:35.543-07:002012-08-05T16:23:35.543-07:00@Mike: Wow. Good job totally missing the point. I&...@Mike: Wow. Good job totally missing the point. I'll spell it out for you:<br /><br />I am not actually comparing the performance rates between umpires and players. I never at any point actively compared them. Rather, I posted that (and the following comment about striking out because of changeups) in an attempt to get the people who throw the word "apologist" around willy-nilly to realize how stupid it is to call any attempt to explain why a call was missed as an "apology".<br /><br />You have actually reinforced my point here. You see, I am aware that a batter has an entire team trying to get him out. Thus, when he is put out, there is a REASON for it. The same is true for umpires. When they miss a call, there is a REASON. Noting that reason is not an "apology".AERAdminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359811610564661308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-70818990949943208852012-08-05T16:13:03.571-07:002012-08-05T16:13:03.571-07:00That is, of course, if you assume that no one is t...That is, of course, if you assume that no one is trying to cheat or gain an advantage over their opponent.<br /><br />But, right, other than that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-69755011575831077692012-08-05T15:05:54.383-07:002012-08-05T15:05:54.383-07:00BAPACOP, your reasoning about "hitters are on...BAPACOP, your reasoning about "hitters are only successful 34%" is a bunch of blah, blah, blah.<br /><br />A hitter has a whole team trying to get him out! There is nobody out there trying to defeat the umpires!Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-26140084873582574162012-08-05T15:05:23.170-07:002012-08-05T15:05:23.170-07:0011:40, I'm no apologist, but you are an idiot....11:40, I'm no apologist, but you are an idiot. Some calls are closer than others, and each must be evaluated on its own merits. <br /><br />Pissing and moaning about bad calls is silly. I'm more critical of umpires than many on this site, but I seldom criticize over a missed call. Why? Because s--t happens, and those who expect perfection for officials in any sport are fools. <br /><br />Also, if you can't divorce the missed call from the umpire's decision to eject and post-ejection conduct, then you shouldn't be commenting about such matters. In many cases, an umpire may obviously make the wrong call, but at the same time be completely justified in making an ejection and absolutely flawless in his post-ejection conduct. <br /><br />It ain't always black-and-white, junior.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-62875691537390551972012-08-05T15:01:23.790-07:002012-08-05T15:01:23.790-07:00If the umpires are not allowed to be human and mak...If the umpires are not allowed to be human and make "errors" then the same must be said for the players. For those of us that read this post because we want to be better umpires we are tired of reading all of the umpire bashing, if your not going to make for a valued debate to the board, go somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-34005471342082464362012-08-05T13:00:09.411-07:002012-08-05T13:00:09.411-07:00@11:51/11:54 And you've just proven a point to...@11:51/11:54 And you've just proven a point to me: that you've never umpired a game of baseball. You're only adamant that he got the call wrong not WHY he got the call wrong. Was it poor positioning, quick timing, improper use of the eyes? And if you're going to lump me in with the apologists, I will lump you in with the trolls. Have a nice day.SJRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-77503105184230565472012-08-05T12:40:05.992-07:002012-08-05T12:40:05.992-07:00@ Anon 12:38
Great points. Also, what about inter...@ Anon 12:38<br /><br />Great points. Also, what about interference calls, calling balks, issuing warnings or breaking up fights? Can a robot do that?UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-47272667441924245112012-08-05T12:38:41.770-07:002012-08-05T12:38:41.770-07:00And as soon as you take away those major league jo...And as soon as you take away those major league jobs, you no longer have quality umpiring in the minors, division 1 on down at the college level, or even high school. <br /><br />Plus, who would the players, managers and fans blame for poor performance? Surely, not themselves. Someone has to be the bad guy....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38083483405520317722012-08-05T12:17:54.605-07:002012-08-05T12:17:54.605-07:00Yes, I figured that was what he was referring to, ...Yes, I figured that was what he was referring to, meaning he never had anything. I proved his point by using common sense to refute nonsense. I should have known better.UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-11492148960912694972012-08-05T12:14:38.080-07:002012-08-05T12:14:38.080-07:00@UmpsRule: You proved his point by providing a the...@UmpsRule: You proved his point by providing a theoretical reason why the umpire may have missed the call instead of saying the umpires should get it right every time no matter what.<br /><br />Personally, I feel the same way when I'm watching a game and the announcers explain that the batter struck out because of the pitcher's fantastic changeup. Silly apologists, the player should be getting a hit every at bat!AERAdminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359811610564661308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-64640361550003819912012-08-05T12:12:12.319-07:002012-08-05T12:12:12.319-07:00I'm not going to say it's a bad plan neces...I'm not going to say it's a bad plan necessarily, but I highly doubt it will happen anytime soon.UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.com