tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post3189033620609922134..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: PIT-NYG Forward Fumble: Defining the RecockLindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-48827700600875827482012-11-05T14:50:05.708-08:002012-11-05T14:50:05.708-08:00It stands a better chance of removing controversia...It stands a better chance of removing controversial calls when you actually get the calls correct on replay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90193388657605806222012-11-05T13:44:41.580-08:002012-11-05T13:44:41.580-08:00These comments once again proving that having repl...These comments once again proving that having replay review (in any sport) does not remove controversial calls from the game.Troynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-77682201158393661382012-11-05T11:01:07.787-08:002012-11-05T11:01:07.787-08:00I'll come out right away and say I am a steele...I'll come out right away and say I am a steelers fan but that was a fumble and even of it wasn't it's do close that given it was ruled a fuble on the field that unless it's clear the call on the field was wrong Bill Leavy had to stick with the call on the field wwjdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17043174994433295420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33165822779020995252012-11-05T10:27:05.733-08:002012-11-05T10:27:05.733-08:00I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating an i...I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating an indisputable fact. The referee blew the call on replay, and that's not a matter of opinion. It's a fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-26344782695879814362012-11-05T05:49:58.233-08:002012-11-05T05:49:58.233-08:00How many of you arguing he had control are Pittsbu...How many of you arguing he had control are Pittsburgh Steeler fans?Crickethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06216709036280564160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66875448873226034732012-11-05T00:45:41.465-08:002012-11-05T00:45:41.465-08:00@Anon 11:05
Watch the replay again. He maintains...@Anon 11:05<br /><br /><br />Watch the replay again. He maintains control of the ball until the ball contacts his offensive lineman's (#74) hand. It's clear as day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-67592591921387951082012-11-05T00:16:20.946-08:002012-11-05T00:16:20.946-08:00It took one look at the replay to conclusively see...It took one look at the replay to conclusively see that he had the ball gripped in his hand. It then flew forward.<br /><br />There's no excuse for botching a call this badly on a replay review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78414575582063354392012-11-04T23:33:40.468-08:002012-11-04T23:33:40.468-08:00I swear, some people need to learn the definition ...I swear, some people need to learn the definition of the word "control"<br /><br />"the ability to manage a machine or other moving object"<br />"the power to restrain something"<br /><br />I mean, come on. "The power to restrain something"? If he had that, the ball would have never been released.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-55058576710521129372012-11-04T23:05:25.034-08:002012-11-04T23:05:25.034-08:00@1004pm, I take it you're talking about Mike P...@1004pm, I take it you're talking about Mike Pereira. He panders to an audience (otherwise he'd have been fired by FOX long ago) - I mean, that determination about the ball becoming "loose" is not supported by rule or AR case play in TODAY'S NFL. It's possession, simple possession. Is the ball firmly gripped? Is it in control? No to one or both questions = NOT POSSESSED. Maybe when he worked it was about "loose," but not in 2012.<br /><br />Anyway, what we all have to keep in mind is (and again, I have no idea why people have such a hard time understanding this) if Leavy is the referee and the NFL has referees do the instant replay review (in a max. window of 60 seconds) and make the determination, then we are going with LEAVY's judgment and that's it. And I think the video shows enough to suggest QB did not have that control after getting hit on the arm. I mean, the ball gets released SIDEWAYS before even hitting the OL and you can see Ben try and stop the ball from being released. That is NOT control!<br /><br />The only question is WHEN did he lose control. We know what was the principal CAUSE of the entire sequence, but when precisely did he lose it. Honestly, this is like judging intent in baseball and something I can't see instant replay being used to really determine. I agree, there's insufficient evidence to overturn this call, just like there's insufficient evidence to say 100% it was correct. Inconclusive = it was right.<br /><br />Leavy had no choice but to uphold the call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-88899185068772398022012-11-04T22:47:45.486-08:002012-11-04T22:47:45.486-08:00I think it's fairly clear he lost control of t...I think it's fairly clear he lost control of the ball after he got hit by the defender. Suspension for a missed judgment call? Yeah, and Sam Holbrook should be fired...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-69248273497097352902012-11-04T22:05:04.494-08:002012-11-04T22:05:04.494-08:00And for the record, the former VP of officiating s...And for the record, the former VP of officiating says it was incomplete.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-62818064603575287802012-11-04T22:04:01.222-08:002012-11-04T22:04:01.222-08:00I just lost a lot of respect for you. He very clea...I just lost a lot of respect for you. He very clearly had control of the ball until he hit 1 of his linemen. There's no maybe's at all. That call was brutal and should warrant a suspension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7566847492708514572012-11-04T20:03:37.026-08:002012-11-04T20:03:37.026-08:00A tuck requires, amongst other criteria, a passer&...A tuck requires, amongst other criteria, a passer's attempt to "tuck [the football] back toward his body" and the tuck rule (8-1-1-b[2]) specifies it is an incomplete pass if the passer loses possession as he is attempting his tuck. The recock rule specifies it is a fumble if the passer loses possession while attempting to recock his arm.<br /><br />Note that in both scenarios, a tuck or recock does not have to actually be completed, the passer only must attempt to execute either action.<br /><br />As Cricket mentions, it appears Roethlisberger lost possession (e.g., control) prior to any attempt at a tuck and, possibly, in the commission of a recock.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30814629737197272472012-11-04T19:47:48.116-08:002012-11-04T19:47:48.116-08:00So to be clear, we have a re-cock that happens pri...So to be clear, we have a re-cock that happens prior to a tuck = fumble?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-77224619538441607452012-11-04T18:49:52.387-08:002012-11-04T18:49:52.387-08:00IMO (and I am not pretending to be a football rule...IMO (and I am not pretending to be a football rules expert), Roethlisberger lost control of the ball prior to attempting a pass or trying to tuck the ball; it was a good call by Levy.Crickethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06216709036280564160noreply@blogger.com