tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post3942916174724300825..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: MLB Ejection 130: Doug Eddings (2; Bob Melvin)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-6416111146196248702013-08-19T09:50:13.681-07:002013-08-19T09:50:13.681-07:00I don't see how changing the grip to make an a...I don't see how changing the grip to make an accurate throw is seen as not controlling the ball, especially when the player made sure to be off the base before changing his grip. Here is how I see the action developping:<br />1.) Control the ball, making sure the foot is on the base (0:46);<br />2.) Remove the foot, still not changing the grip, still in control of the baseball, not bobbling it at any point (0:48);<br />3.) Getting ready to throw the ball, changing the grip (0:49);<br />4.) Throwing the ball (0:50).<br /><br />Of course, during the action, this just took a split second, and I can't really blame the umpire for missing this one, but what I can't stand is guys saying it's "clearly" the correct call (nobody here seems to agree with the benefit of slow replay, how is that "clearly"?). For me, the call was incorrect, and it definitely was not "clearly" the correct call.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-64980066849141222762013-08-18T23:33:57.568-07:002013-08-18T23:33:57.568-07:00In re: 130 Eddings 2;
After review, the Original ...In re: 130 Eddings 2;<br /><br />After review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed unanimously in a 5-0-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Five Appeals Board members voted to uphold the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Majority Opinion, Turducken:<br /><a href="http://portal.closecallsports.com/uefl-rules" rel="nofollow">UEFL Rule 7, Section 1, Article B</a>: "In the instance of an exhaustive disputed or inconclusive Quality of Correctness, the Quality of Correctness shall revert to reflect the call made on the field as correct." Translation: Call inconclusive reverts to correct. I vote to uphold.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, RichMSN:<br />If I had to make a call from the limited replays I've seen, I'd call the runner out, too.<br /><br />Nothing more conclusive that I've seen -- I'm voting to uphold.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, BT_Blue, joined by yawetag:<br />Due to the lack of any new information or videos, I have to concur that this call would be inconclusive at best. Thus, I too will vote to Uphold.<br /><br />Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Confirm: tmac, RichMSN, yawetag, BT_Blue, Turducken<br />Uphold: -<br />Overturn: -<br />Defer: -<br />Abstain: Gil (Posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (deployment)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7616176730960511072013-08-17T18:20:36.578-07:002013-08-17T18:20:36.578-07:00I'd toss the runner for wearing those stupid l...I'd toss the runner for wearing those stupid looking glasses.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-19467792583660485812013-08-17T09:08:36.995-07:002013-08-17T09:08:36.995-07:00I'd wager that you CANNOT bobble a ball that s...I'd wager that you CANNOT bobble a ball that size with your bare hand (physics). You'd either catch it, watch it glance off your hand into the OF, or you simply drop it. I am not sure how you could possibly bobble a ball that size with a bare hand.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-40945265183684428132013-08-17T09:06:07.817-07:002013-08-17T09:06:07.817-07:00SRB, you and most of the other folks here are abso...SRB, you and most of the other folks here are absolutely correct. It's close but not that close, and he is OUT. The bare hand aspect must have thrown Eddings off. But, he clearly blew that one.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-43713698011645543462013-08-17T09:04:33.609-07:002013-08-17T09:04:33.609-07:00It's PUFF PUFF PASS guys. There is no way the...It's PUFF PUFF PASS guys. There is no way the first call is correct. Close, not not correct.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2527067799395448612013-08-16T20:51:56.219-07:002013-08-16T20:51:56.219-07:00I don't know a single human being that can wra...I don't know a single human being that can wrap the palm of his hand around the baseball - the fingers are what really control the ball if you're making the barehand play. I see a lot of palm in Callaspo's play at 2nd and no fingers at all until he's well off the bag. Well officiated by Mr. Eddings.<br /><br /><br />The play at third isn't conclusive to me, but the throw beats him and it's a perfect throw. If the benefit of the doubt is going ANYWHERE, it's going to the fielder.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-42622172834161200342013-08-16T11:58:52.341-07:002013-08-16T11:58:52.341-07:00Umpire Fantasy Ejection League - Proof positive th...Umpire Fantasy Ejection League - Proof positive that universal replay will not make anyone happier about baseball.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78622346032273373932013-08-16T11:56:23.113-07:002013-08-16T11:56:23.113-07:00This replay has been challenged and is under revie...This replay has been challenged and is under review by the UEFL Appeals Board.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-88027278461923357422013-08-16T10:05:35.470-07:002013-08-16T10:05:35.470-07:00I disagree that there was a bobble. It looked lik...I disagree that there was a bobble. It looked like a clear out to me. Callaspo nailed that one, not Eddings!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-29257820699387368992013-08-16T10:04:45.152-07:002013-08-16T10:04:45.152-07:00No way he "nailed" the call in the 5th. ...No way he "nailed" the call in the 5th. He blew that one. There was no bobble and no foot off the bag, Callaspo nailed it. Not Eddings.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-35402439664254959342013-08-16T10:02:49.918-07:002013-08-16T10:02:49.918-07:00I'm fine with the call and subsequent ejection...I'm fine with the call and subsequent ejection. What I Am not fine with is Eddings not giving Callaspo the call in the 5th when it was clearly an out. But, shit happens.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-9141129821104763132013-08-15T20:58:05.101-07:002013-08-15T20:58:05.101-07:00With runners in scoring position, the plate umpire...With runners in scoring position, the plate umpire stays home. So the other umpires reverse rotate.<br /><br /><br />The real problem is that Eddings read the tag/advance late and got in a footrace. There's no reason he couldn't have lined up the catch and tag in a better position between second and third and gotten to third well in advance of the plate. Regardless, he got it right.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90746036260528184282013-08-15T16:33:22.891-07:002013-08-15T16:33:22.891-07:00Just curious for this situation, preface with I...Just curious for this situation, preface with I've never done a 4-man system. <br /><br /><br /><br />But wouldn't it make more sense for U3 go out for catch/no catch, U2 get the tag up, PU go to third, U1 go home after watching BR tag 1b (if it turns out to be no catch). and U2 staying at 2b if R2 fakes tag and gets picked off going back to 2b or gets in run down.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-57055782500189642862013-08-15T14:40:44.173-07:002013-08-15T14:40:44.173-07:00On that play at 2nd... When is a runner or batter ...On that play at 2nd... When is a runner or batter runner considered OUT on a force play ? Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-85473230817017564612013-08-15T14:34:57.758-07:002013-08-15T14:34:57.758-07:00So give me a serious answer .... Im
Here to learn ...So give me a serious answer .... Im<br />Here to learn Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-64546878099813098582013-08-15T12:46:41.323-07:002013-08-15T12:46:41.323-07:00it is mandatory to out on this play..... Sometimes...it is mandatory to out on this play..... Sometimes there might be shading in which the ball takes the centerfielder to left a little bit (on a routine play) and the 1st base umpire goes out. The reason this is to keep an umpire ahead of the play.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66346979502499642152013-08-15T12:29:41.522-07:002013-08-15T12:29:41.522-07:00With none on or one runner on and a fly ball in th...With none on or one runner on and a fly ball in their area, they will go out. They only read the ball with multiple runners on.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-62550852725407309142013-08-15T12:28:27.139-07:002013-08-15T12:28:27.139-07:00That is a rotation with a runner on first only. T...That is a rotation with a runner on first only. There is no need for that rotation with a runner in scoring position.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-12136713790753428792013-08-15T12:19:58.590-07:002013-08-15T12:19:58.590-07:00Thanks, it makes sense but does U3 really even nee...Thanks, it makes sense but does U3 really even need to go out on something like this or are they told to go out no matter what?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-86570777938678676692013-08-15T12:08:53.157-07:002013-08-15T12:08:53.157-07:00with runners in scoring position the plate umpire ...with runners in scoring position the plate umpire ALWAYS stays home in MLB mechanics.... On this play everyone is where they are supposed to be. 3rd base umpire goes out 1nd base umpire has play into third and 1st base umpire has b/r into 2nd.... Pretty standard. You just don't want the PU on the move consistently.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-83674249926380442222013-08-15T11:46:41.810-07:002013-08-15T11:46:41.810-07:00Thanks Anon.Thanks Anon.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-24169694197579069232013-08-15T11:46:22.905-07:002013-08-15T11:46:22.905-07:00Why cant they just do a normal rotation with PU ta...Why cant they just do a normal rotation with PU taking 3B and then 1B umpire watching the touch of first and then head to the plate? Or if it is a reverse rotation why was the 1b ump at 2B and Eddings could of been at 3rd a lot sooner. By they way I think Eddings got both calls correct.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-39206356690981400632013-08-15T10:39:27.400-07:002013-08-15T10:39:27.400-07:00Perfect example of why having an umpire out on eve...Perfect example of why having an umpire out on every ball trouble or no trouble is counter productive and in some cases ends up hurting the crew. That was a reasonably easy catch. It wasn't a trouble ball. If U2 gets catch/no catch and tag up at second than U3 is in a great position to see that play taking it outside in. I know some will argue that it was hit fairly deep and maybe it was but U3 can read that and if he reads can of corn it gets passed to U2 in the middle. MLB (not the umpires or their supervisors) thinks it looks pretty to have umpires running around everywhere even if they are running themselves out of position in some instances to see plays. I think Eddings got it right and I would have whacked him out too. I didn't see where Eddings was standing to line up the tag up. I would assume he was as far toward second as you could be given where the ball was hit which makes it a foot race to see that play at third. It's a bastard play because of how the flyball coverage is assigned. I understand the mechanics of the wingmen having flyball coverage for trouble balls but why run yourself and your crew out of position when it really doesn't require a wingman to go out on the play? I'm sure I've opened myself up to some arguments but that's just my opinion.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-89673777318275791962013-08-15T10:37:01.914-07:002013-08-15T10:37:01.914-07:00I don't think there is any conclusive evidence...I don't think there is any conclusive evidence that either event occurred; I think a ruling of "Inconclusive" is plausible here, but I don't play the league, so I am *not* calling for a challenge. Just an observation.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com