tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post4546861827600530676..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Case Play 2013-06: Foul Bunt with Two Strikes (Completed)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-58083076952041295512013-07-12T03:13:01.044-07:002013-07-12T03:13:01.044-07:00I will refer you to Gil's ruling on this case ...I will refer you to Gil's ruling on this case play. The official scorer makes his decisions based on both the umpire's call and the rule book, as per 10.01(b)(1). The umpire will call 'out' on this play, he will not distinguish between fly out or strike out as that is irrelevant to him in this specific situation (being the 3rd out). It is up to the official scorer to use 10.15(a)(4) to determine whether or not to rule a strikeout.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-44309868685781408812013-07-11T23:56:07.269-07:002013-07-11T23:56:07.269-07:00The scorer makes his decisions based on an umpire&...The scorer makes his decisions based on an umpire's call (the scorer cannot make a ruling that contradicts an umpire's decision). The umpire would not be calling a strikeout for this. See 6.05(a), 2.00 ("catch," "foul ball," "strike"), 10.01(b)(1), 10.15(a)(4)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-15174783991946671942013-07-11T20:35:45.280-07:002013-07-11T20:35:45.280-07:00This is a caught fly ball over foul ground. The ca...This is a caught fly ball over foul ground. The catch supersedes the bunt being foul since the ball is not yet foul as defined in rule 2.00. 10.15 (a) (4) instructs the official scorer of the game to credit F2 with a put out in this instance. Sorry F1, stuck at 1999.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-88592504581250280282013-07-11T18:05:39.474-07:002013-07-11T18:05:39.474-07:00Rule 6.05 (a) take precedent over the other rules ...Rule 6.05 (a) take precedent over the other rules in this scenario. The batter is out because of the caught fly ball. The pitcher will finish his career with 1,999 strikeouts. As ruled in the Diamondbacks-Dodgers game on 7/10/13: "C Ross bunt popped out foul to catcher."Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-83972253859217267752013-07-11T15:48:44.691-07:002013-07-11T15:48:44.691-07:00Boredcravens. No K. Ff2. Boredcravens. No K. Ff2. Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-87893211759388816962013-07-11T14:28:00.085-07:002013-07-11T14:28:00.085-07:006.05(a) governs this. Recorded as a pop out. F1 re...6.05(a) governs this. Recorded as a pop out. F1 remains at 1,999 punch outs.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79174302698742672882013-07-11T13:41:32.302-07:002013-07-11T13:41:32.302-07:00F2. Not a strikeout. Rule 605d just says batter is...F2. Not a strikeout. Rule 605d just says batter is out. Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-59406415703674021752013-07-11T13:36:55.419-07:002013-07-11T13:36:55.419-07:00This is credited as a F-2, not a K....stuck at 199...This is credited as a F-2, not a K....stuck at 1999!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-28154928401705130132013-07-11T13:26:47.927-07:002013-07-11T13:26:47.927-07:00No strikeout in this scenario!No strikeout in this scenario!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-41084126677391384162013-07-11T13:12:31.771-07:002013-07-11T13:12:31.771-07:00For this we move away from the rules the umpire us...For this we move away from the rules the umpire uses and on to the official scorer area of the OBR... 10.15(a)(4) .. "The official scorer shall score a strikeout whenever a batter: bunts foul on a third strike, unless such bunt on a third strike results in a foul fly caught by any fielder, in which case the official scorer shall not score a strikeout and shall credit the fielder who catcher such foul fly with a putout."<br /><br />The pitcher ends his career with 1,999 Ks.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-41411556248918221512013-07-11T12:17:14.344-07:002013-07-11T12:17:14.344-07:00Stuck at 1,999 strikeoutsStuck at 1,999 strikeoutsLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78675817660352023652013-07-11T10:29:59.892-07:002013-07-11T10:29:59.892-07:00The ball is not officially a foul until it comes t...The ball is not officially a foul until it comes to rest or contact with something not normally associated with foul territory (ex. another player). Sucks to be F1 in this case. Stuck at 1, 999.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-58944259678100292942013-07-11T10:21:16.297-07:002013-07-11T10:21:16.297-07:00Good (scoring) catch by the person who posted 10.1...Good (scoring) catch by the person who posted 10.15(4), BTW.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33323062914674195632013-07-11T08:51:25.932-07:002013-07-11T08:51:25.932-07:00This is covered in the scoring section of the rule...This is covered in the scoring section of the rule book. <br />In this case the pitcher would be stuck on 1,999 strikeouts.<br />10.15 STRIKEOUTS<br /><br />A strikeout is a statistic credited to a pitcher and charged to a batter when the<br />umpire calls three strikes on a batter, as set forth in this Rule 10.15.<br /><br />(a) The official scorer shall score a strikeout whenever a batter:<br /><br />(4) bunts foul on third strike, unless such bunt on third strike results in a foul fly<br />caught by any fielder, in which case the official scorer shall not score a strikeout<br />and shall credit the fielder who catches such foul fly with a putout.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-77640084973197318832013-07-11T08:38:20.945-07:002013-07-11T08:38:20.945-07:00Stuck on 1,999 strikeouts. Caught foul fly. -SJR...Stuck on 1,999 strikeouts. Caught foul fly. -SJRLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-81369819419843638682013-07-11T07:29:20.933-07:002013-07-11T07:29:20.933-07:00Caught ball, not a foul tip, so its NOT a strikeou...Caught ball, not a foul tip, so its NOT a strikeout.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-56880733771350923892013-07-11T07:27:06.937-07:002013-07-11T07:27:06.937-07:002.00 (FOUL BALL) and 6.05(a) govern. It's a f...2.00 (FOUL BALL) and 6.05(a) govern. It's a fly out, not a foul ball (or foul bunt.)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-17177147809125810992013-07-11T07:18:36.858-07:002013-07-11T07:18:36.858-07:00The catcher should have let it fall to the ground....The catcher should have let it fall to the ground.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-57704654303630823652013-07-11T07:15:25.660-07:002013-07-11T07:15:25.660-07:00I'm probably dead wrong on this, but I thought...I'm probably dead wrong on this, but I thought the (foul) fly all being caught nullifies the K from being recorded, so 6.05 would not apply?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45148711947340331162013-07-11T06:45:34.859-07:002013-07-11T06:45:34.859-07:00It is not a foul ball. It is a foul out. It would ...It is not a foul ball. It is a foul out. It would be a foul ball if the catcher dropped it. Then it would be a strike out.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-4133878535681891912013-07-11T06:37:23.140-07:002013-07-11T06:37:23.140-07:00This is a caught fly ball over foul territory no S...This is a caught fly ball over foul territory no Strike out. He stays at 1999 K's.<br /><br />Rule 6.05(a) is what applies here. <br /><br />Rules 2.00 [Strike] & 6.05(d) - need to take Rule 2.00 [Foul] into consideration "A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that settles on foul territory between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that bounds past first or third base on or over foul territory, or that first falls on foul territory beyond first or third base, or that, while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground."<br /><br />In the scenario presented the ball never "settles on foul territory", "bounds past 1st or 3rd on or over foul territory", "falls on foul territory" or "touches any object foreign to the ground" therefore it was not technically a foul ball it was a caught fly ball over foul territory.<br /><br />Here's another thought solidifying it is not a foul ball. Take a situation with 1 out and a runner aboard. With 2 strikes the batter pops up a bunt into foul territory that is caught behind home plate by the catcher. The ball is still live because it is not a foul ball and the catcher can attempt to make a put out on the runner if the situation warrants.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-55429368712385287422013-07-11T06:10:11.848-07:002013-07-11T06:10:11.848-07:00But it is a foul ball as Rule 2.00 says, "......But it is a foul ball as Rule 2.00 says, "...while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground."<br />The proper rule citation is 10.15(a)(4) which says, "The official scorer shall score a strikeout whenever a batter: ... bunts foul on third strike, unless such bunt on third strike results in a foul fly caught by any fielder, in which case the official scorer shall not score a strike-out and shall credit the fielder who catches such foul fly with a putout."Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-44672930905054618492013-07-11T05:57:31.818-07:002013-07-11T05:57:31.818-07:001999. This is a fly ball caught in foul territory,...1999. This is a fly ball caught in foul territory, not a foul ball.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-84190144052864343702013-07-11T05:17:24.878-07:002013-07-11T05:17:24.878-07:00I say no strike out!I say no strike out!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-36532921839186902972013-07-11T04:34:35.456-07:002013-07-11T04:34:35.456-07:00F-2.F-2.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com