tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post6278460635053292381..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Roster: MiLB Triple-A Championship UmpiresLindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30764810740893324062013-09-20T09:11:49.989-07:002013-09-20T09:11:49.989-07:00I only discovered this website in July, but it doe...I only discovered this website in July, but it does look like CCS's tendency to back the blue does goes too far at times. <br /><br />Some could consider a demand for B to get in the BB is implied (not specifically verbalized) and refusal to comply with the implied demand as grounds for using 6.02(c). But I don't think that is the right thing to do. <br /><br />Still so many unanswered questions about this out. Did PU even use 6.02(c) or is 6.02(c) solely being used retroactively to CYA? 6.02(c) is a deadball penalty. Did PU call time, deliver the penalty strike/out, then make the ball live again? If not, then this looks more like a late CYA attempt.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45241332691017860432013-09-20T00:42:59.758-07:002013-09-20T00:42:59.758-07:00I think we're drifting from the original subje...I think we're drifting from the original subject here. I think rgoldar2 made a very good point when he said this:<br /><br />"We're not really learning anything when we just manipulate the rules to <br />fit the actions of the umpire instead of stating that the umpire applied<br /> the rules incorrectly and then stating how they should have correctly <br />been applied."<br /><br />The whole point of this website is to analyze the actions of the umpires <br />and to see if they officiated the game correctly. Bending the rules to <br />try to justify an umpire action is not how I think this case should have been resolved.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-27086831598724618852013-09-19T18:04:12.161-07:002013-09-19T18:04:12.161-07:00You are misusing the word 'refuse'...Not s...You are misusing the word 'refuse'...Not showing up to class is not the same thing as refusing to go to class. To refuse is to indicate (by verbal or physical expression) unwillingness to do something that has been expressly asked of you. <br /><br /><br /><br />If you were to not show up for class and the professor called you and ask you to come to class and you told him that you would not, you would have then 'refused'. <br /><br /><br /><br />When the word 'refuse' is used in the context of official rules, there can be no ambiguity in it's definition. You can only refuse to do something that you have been expressly asked/told to do.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90262103400029944732013-09-19T17:44:49.059-07:002013-09-19T17:44:49.059-07:00You can refuse to attend a class by not showing up...You can refuse to attend a class by not showing up. By this logic, once a students shows up, he can leave early without penalty if the teacher does not specify a penalty for that. Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-83022290491649971152013-09-19T17:34:45.288-07:002013-09-19T17:34:45.288-07:00That is incorrect...as we have already pointed out...That is incorrect...as we have already pointed out. You cannot 'refuse' to enter the batter's box unless you are told to enter the batter's box; therefore, the umpire is required to ask the batter to return to the batter's box. The rule stating the umpire has no obligation is not applicable in this situation and was incorrectly cited in the case play answer.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45637934882443529592013-09-19T15:31:57.289-07:002013-09-19T15:31:57.289-07:00Except the fact that the umpire is not required to...Except the fact that the umpire is not required to ask the batter to return.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63890266189721701292013-09-19T14:10:29.976-07:002013-09-19T14:10:29.976-07:00You can't refuse if you weren't asked to d...You can't refuse if you weren't asked to do something in the first place. I'm guessing that's why you put the word "refuse" in quotes, too.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-35206495179662424902013-09-19T05:55:48.420-07:002013-09-19T05:55:48.420-07:00There's a reason why my original answer incorp...There's a reason why my original answer incorporated 6.03.<br /><br />When he walked away, Stewart is not in a legal position in the batter's box (as defined in 6.03), and therefore a strike can be called via application of 6.02(c) because Steward "refused" to take his position in the batter's box. 6.02(c) comment doesn't apply, as only 1 strike is called via this rule.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45167676500017045112013-09-19T00:48:54.329-07:002013-09-19T00:48:54.329-07:00I agree with both of you. It seems that Wolf didn&...I agree with both of you. It seems that Wolf didn't lose the count (he seems to signal strike 2 after the third pitch), and I really think it wouldn't have been a prejudice to the opposite team if he had simply told the batter that it was only strike 2.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-60382481896328198582013-09-18T21:01:10.818-07:002013-09-18T21:01:10.818-07:00That is incorrect.That is incorrect.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-15079090752423286862013-09-18T20:58:56.167-07:002013-09-18T20:58:56.167-07:00We know he didn't lose the count because he ve...We know he didn't lose the count because he very clearly signals strike two in the video.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com