tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post8218784633693473087..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Discussions: 2012 Wild Card GamesLindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-91335863793115317932012-10-08T22:47:43.438-07:002012-10-08T22:47:43.438-07:00No such thing as infield fly beyond the baseline? ...No such thing as infield fly beyond the baseline? Ha! You really expect us to believe anything you say after that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7367773978362447492012-10-08T17:03:17.096-07:002012-10-08T17:03:17.096-07:00Another guy that got released so now he's piss...Another guy that got released so now he's pissed at Sam. You are a plumber. Deal with it. The level of ignorance regarding the rules on this forum is nauseating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-14699117612407138242012-10-08T16:59:46.081-07:002012-10-08T16:59:46.081-07:00Whatever dude!!Whatever dude!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-1049185896312029192012-10-07T22:28:44.839-07:002012-10-07T22:28:44.839-07:00@DMay: No, your argument about a no-call does NOT ...@DMay: No, your argument about a no-call does NOT make sense. The infield fly rule does not say "An Infield Fly is a fair fly ball which can be caught by an ordinary infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first second and third bases are occupied, before two are out, and when the other team will complain if it's not called." I do agree with you in one respect; if the infield fly rule is not called here then the other team would not have complained. But whether or not the other team will complain about a call if it's not made never has anything to do with if the call is correct or not.<br /><br />Thus the ordinary effort part is the part we need to look at. This is the part of the rule that is most subject to judgement. The shortstop was not sprinting to approach the ball and he set himself as if he was preparing to catch the ball. The video appears to show Holbrook start to signal for the infield fly immediately as the shortstop sets himself. This makes me think that he felt that if the shortstop had time to move out (and did not have to do so in a hurried manner) and take a set position under the ball that it fell under ordinary effort.<br /><br />I am of the opinion that this call could have gone either way and still have been correct. It could be considered out-of-the-ordinary because of the distance covered (even though the rule does not require the ball to be located in the infield, the shortstop did make quite a journey into the outfield) but it could also be considered ordinary (because despite the distance the shortstop did not have to sprint, lunge, dive, etc. to make it to the ball in time and would have been able to make the catch easily from a stand-still had he not bailed on it).BAPACopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-84554382605946706702012-10-07T20:07:25.237-07:002012-10-07T20:07:25.237-07:00In your opinion, do you believe the play met the o...In your opinion, do you believe the play met the ordinary effort part of the rule? I do not. And my argument about a NO call does make sense. Do you believe ST Louis comes out and discusses why the IFF rule is not called, I say NO. DMayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02493024314259233587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-805162784730088012012-10-07T10:54:48.082-07:002012-10-07T10:54:48.082-07:00As demonstrated time & time again by multiple ...As demonstrated time & time again by multiple sources, the call was right. Time to move onAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-32381543386699323952012-10-07T09:43:41.604-07:002012-10-07T09:43:41.604-07:00You mean you worked as a peanut vendor while he um...You mean you worked as a peanut vendor while he umpired in the minors? Because with that display of ignorance, there's little wonder why Holbrook is in the show while you're umpiring from your arm chair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-91421299322081571002012-10-06T21:32:18.815-07:002012-10-06T21:32:18.815-07:00He is not a PLUMBER, he is dead on. There is no su...He is not a PLUMBER, he is dead on. There is no such thing as an infield fly beyond the baseline! That was call was horrible and Holbrook has no business working ANY playoff games EVER. And he never would with his performance during the regular season if it wasn't for the damn contract that says everyone has to be given a chance to work. LOOK IT UP!! We have to deal with scum ass umpires making these calls when it matters. No I am not crazy Braves fan. I worked with Holbrook in the minors and he was not that good then, but it is who he knew in the BIG show that got him there not his talent or that fat GUT OF HIS that he still has, which should be show that he did not get because of appearance or ability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-56249166392230171702012-10-06T15:59:20.662-07:002012-10-06T15:59:20.662-07:00@Jared - That was a really well-articulated, easy ...@Jared - That was a really well-articulated, easy to follow explanation. Thanks for taking the time to break it down for me! I think I get it now. Cheers.Ben B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-31771047155026311742012-10-06T14:38:49.177-07:002012-10-06T14:38:49.177-07:00Anonymous @ 1:25 pm:
No, you guys just sound like...Anonymous @ 1:25 pm:<br /><br />No, you guys just sound like morons by the overuse of "rat", "plumbler" and "piano tuner". Might as well just "nanny nanny, boo boo!" as it's just as childish. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-1043726699407973212012-10-06T13:25:04.626-07:002012-10-06T13:25:04.626-07:00Really Scott? Maybe they are pointing out the ign...Really Scott? Maybe they are pointing out the ignorance of the rulebook as it pertains to a specific play by some of the plumbers, rats, and piano tuners who post on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-5210675691241345932012-10-06T13:22:03.298-07:002012-10-06T13:22:03.298-07:00You're wrong.You're wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38496300641402953592012-10-06T13:21:44.557-07:002012-10-06T13:21:44.557-07:00@DMay:
So because you don't think anyone would...@DMay:<br />So because you don't think anyone would complain if the opposite was called, it makes it a bad call? This is idiotic.<br /><br />This was the right call, and it just shows how little people know about the rules when a weird rule situation comes up.<br /><br />-ZacAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-19143268362651379982012-10-06T12:38:25.972-07:002012-10-06T12:38:25.972-07:00But it does require ordinary effort. I still stand...But it does require ordinary effort. I still stand by the opposite argument, if IFF was not called. Who complains? No one. That makes the call bad. No ST Louis player or manager comes out to argue. Ducks on the pond, one out. DMayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02493024314259233587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-82108619458842705252012-10-06T12:25:45.098-07:002012-10-06T12:25:45.098-07:00Anon @6:14p, 6:37p, 4:44a, 6:21a
Thank you. It&#...Anon @6:14p, 6:37p, 4:44a, 6:21a<br /><br />Thank you. It's been my experience in the past year or so that anybody who uses "plumber", "rat", "piano tuner", or any sort of variation is making a content free post--especially if they're hiding behind an anonymous login.<br /><br />You've kept that streak alive. Well done.Scott Stevensonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7655926093390150032012-10-06T11:23:43.665-07:002012-10-06T11:23:43.665-07:00I think the high school interpretation of the IFF ...I think the high school interpretation of the IFF is the most idiotic thing in organized baseball. Here we have baseball being played at its highest level in the post season with five umpires on the field and there is great disagreement on what constituted an IFF. And high school kids are supposed to "know" an IFF situation EVEN IF the ump doesn't call it. Maybe we can expect them to "know" when a strike should have been called and act accordingly, even if the ump was too ignorant to make the correct call then. How stupid is that?<br /><br />How's about this for an IFF tweak - let the play play itself out. If the ump calls it an IFF AND the defense lets the ball drop, then they are only entitled to one "force out". If they don't get one (like last night), everybody is safe. Once they get an out, the ball is dead and all runners are given the base they were being "forced" to go to. That is the precise intent of the IFF rule and it would generally make the defense catch the darn ball. If it falls in, then the ump probably erred in ordinary effort assessment and the offense doesn't end up getting screwed by having the B/R being "automatically" out. Simple as pie.<br /><br />ANON = LMS1953<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-5097723272593729252012-10-06T10:45:43.783-07:002012-10-06T10:45:43.783-07:00Am I the only one that thinks when the rulebook sa...Am I the only one that thinks when the rulebook says "Umpires will not" that umpires should then adjust their behavior accordingly?Harlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16421476381201312593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-29592759669323660372012-10-06T10:40:27.535-07:002012-10-06T10:40:27.535-07:00Just because no one has yet to protest a game for ...Just because no one has yet to protest a game for an umpire's blatant unwillingness to enforce 6.02(b) doesn't mean they couldn't in the future. Baseball practice does not trump the rulebook.Harlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16421476381201312593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79053941201477726022012-10-06T08:25:32.802-07:002012-10-06T08:25:32.802-07:00In watching the video Sam Holbrook does not make t...In watching the video Sam Holbrook does not make the indication of Infield Fly until after the shortstop has pulled off the ball and is retreating towards the infield. At no point was the shortstop ever under the baseball with ordinary effort. Having to run 225 feet, partially backwards is no ordinary effort. And his hands are up not to indicate that he will catch the ball with ordinary effort, but to keep Matt Holliday from running over him like a bus. Also, watch Third Base Umpire Jeff Nelson, he never indicates Infield Fly until after the ball is on the ground more indicative of "what the heck are you thinking" and so Holbrooks statement that all the umpires agreed to a "T" in the press conference is not accurate either. I like Sam Holbrook as an umpire but he is done for the postseason and will probably never be able to umpire again in Atlanta. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-51569068432795941962012-10-06T07:12:25.836-07:002012-10-06T07:12:25.836-07:00At 225 feet, that was quite likely the longest IFF...At 225 feet, that was quite likely the longest IFF in MLB history. Recall that Bobby Thompson's "Shot Heard 'Round the World" crossed a fence that was about 25 feet further away<br /><br />ANON = LMD1953Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-57738044594916205342012-10-06T06:21:24.998-07:002012-10-06T06:21:24.998-07:00SS did indeed stop moving. When he threw his hand...SS did indeed stop moving. When he threw his hands up in the air with his chest facing the infield he demonstrated ordinary effort. The plumbers on here are all hung up on how far he had to run to get there. It's irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63570753253417770622012-10-06T06:15:44.700-07:002012-10-06T06:15:44.700-07:00SS feet never stop moving, 40 feet in the Outfield...SS feet never stop moving, 40 feet in the Outfield is not ordinary effort. If this isn't called an IFF is anyone complaining over a no-call? Guaranteed NO on that one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-27138962373091107252012-10-06T05:31:18.123-07:002012-10-06T05:31:18.123-07:00Well, this post blew up...
Again, I am really on ...Well, this post blew up...<br /><br />Again, I am really on the fence about this call. I cannot really blame Holbrook because I have made a similar call in a 2-man before (although the infielder at least attempted to catch it in my situation).<br /><br />But, truly, I am not really that pissed about it in the long run because the Braves gave away 5 runs with pathetic errors. Another season down the shitter.Crickethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06216709036280564160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-29597023463273306612012-10-06T04:56:17.584-07:002012-10-06T04:56:17.584-07:00Nice job JaredNice job JaredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-40916284071503683742012-10-06T04:54:01.590-07:002012-10-06T04:54:01.590-07:00And?And?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com