tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post2635433611959633094..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Ejection 103: Chad Fairchild (1)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66870575713178074422012-08-03T07:42:35.856-07:002012-08-03T07:42:35.856-07:00To whomever stated that a Florida College Baseball...To whomever stated that a Florida College Baseball Umpires manual actually says "keep your mouth shut and get away from the action" you're correct. After that it also states "your partner should step in and control the situation."<br /><br />So what do you do in between? Obviously you stand there and wait for your partner.<br /><br />The writers of this manual also know that it doesn't always go like that.<br /><br />How do I know?<br /><br />I work for this group. And I love it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-57269826877242194462012-08-02T01:51:43.265-07:002012-08-02T01:51:43.265-07:00@ Curt, if any of those names you mentioned were t...@ Curt, if any of those names you mentioned were touched by a player in this kind of situation, they too would have had a "don't touch me" gesture. One might be a little more subtle, another not so much. Timmy Mac might say "stop poking my belly button, runt." Teddy might say, "hey brotha, why you touching my Carlucci!?!" Chad's way was for the purposes of letting everyone know what happened. Everyone needs to get off this "one, and only one way to handle things" way of thinking and realize that the person on the field knows the best way to handle the situation 99% of the time. Everyone else does not know half of what actually went on down there and are merely speculating. You don't know what was said behind those masks for the innings leading up to this situation, you don't know how to handle a big league situation, you don't know much of anything when you're compared to these guys. That's not a shot at anyone, that's just because anyone who's done something for 20-30 years longer than you, knows a hell of a lot more than you about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-14456388030086847082012-08-02T00:38:22.319-07:002012-08-02T00:38:22.319-07:00Curt, agreed. When you have gold like "DQ&quo...Curt, agreed. When you have gold like "DQ", it has to be shown. It would be like putting a sheet over the pyramids at Giza. Why?Big Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059152139707572715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-29311093887354573432012-08-01T20:45:05.446-07:002012-08-01T20:45:05.446-07:00MattAB, I feel you on this situation. Anyone who h...MattAB, I feel you on this situation. Anyone who has umpired high school has been there. Your handling of the situation by telling the catcher he knows where the pitches are missing as well as you do is the first step. If it continues, you then speak to the head coach as you did. Balls and Strikes at any level is grounds for an ejection but I know in my state that you must warn, the restrict before you dump someone otherwise the will not get suspended. My next step is to warn the bench or restrict, which can be awfully good at calming a coach or unruly crowd. Ejection can follow if necessary. Most of the time if you warning and mention that I can restrict you(head coach) to the dugout, it will nip it in the bud. Do not let them walk over you.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485042813287257883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-58809937809301897592012-08-01T19:09:13.240-07:002012-08-01T19:09:13.240-07:00Three game suspension for Mesoraco.Three game suspension for Mesoraco.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-89582708160599642812012-08-01T09:01:33.826-07:002012-08-01T09:01:33.826-07:00Big Marc, I will concede Punkchild. Maybe Pansy t...Big Marc, I will concede Punkchild. Maybe Pansy too.<br /><br />But drama queen?? I might have trouble replacing that one. I presume attention w**** would also be excluded, so that's out. Prima donna, diva, attention seeker, perhaps? Those are okay, but none fit these situations like DQ.<br /><br />Could go all smart and say histrionic or melodramatic, but those exceed the maximum syllable count for words used to discuss baseball.<br /><br />Off to the thesaurus I go.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-42349063623808417612012-08-01T03:22:56.814-07:002012-08-01T03:22:56.814-07:00Had to delete after reading Gil's instructions...Had to delete after reading Gil's instructions.<br /><br />Your lucky Curt, oops that's jab.<br /><br />I think jabs should be allowed, but name calling? Punk-child? Pansy? Drama queen?<br /><br />(not to curt) You ever felt like the world was a tuxedo and you were a pair of brown shoes?Big Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059152139707572715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-35273266468587720292012-08-01T03:13:30.543-07:002012-08-01T03:13:30.543-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Big Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059152139707572715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30999135463632930582012-08-01T03:08:25.681-07:002012-08-01T03:08:25.681-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Big Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059152139707572715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-9251573036409251262012-08-01T01:05:26.027-07:002012-08-01T01:05:26.027-07:00Let's cease the personal jabs here, guys. Does...Let's cease the personal jabs here, guys. Doesn't matter who started it or who got the last shot in. We have many valid points on both sides of this particular issue, the Fairchild handled it correctly camp and the Fairchild overreacted camp.<br /><br />The very nature of an ejection and of the QOC Quick Vote suggests we will have disagreements from time to time, some quite passionate, yet we should not allow our differences of opinion to cloud our judgment and display of decency, cordiality and dignity.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66472458846415275572012-08-01T00:45:47.627-07:002012-08-01T00:45:47.627-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-5080369681942713182012-08-01T00:22:44.257-07:002012-08-01T00:22:44.257-07:00Big Marc, as I said before, I mentioned the colleg...Big Marc, as I said before, I mentioned the college manual only in passing after expressing an interest in knowing what the pro manual might say. That's it. I didn't say it applied to this situation. I just wondered if the pro manual addressed it similarly. <br /><br />Interesting that no one has answered the question as to how the pro manual addresses the issue. <br /><br />You are also incorrect that I have read the rules and think I know how things work on the field. I have not read this "rule," as I do not have a copy. That's why I asked the question in the first place. <br /><br />As far as your assertion that it's handled differently on the field, obviously it is by some. Others handle it by de-escalating and walking away. Those others include umpires like Joyce and McClellan. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the reason you don't see Joyce and McClellan getting into shoving matches is because they don't handle situations like your boy Fairchild. Could it also be the reason that they are not only considered to be the best of the best, but also the most *respected* umpires in the world. <br /><br />Come on, man. Even Joe West makes an effort to walk away. Is he wrong too?<br /><br />Maybe you're right dude. Maybe Joyce, McClellan, West and others are totally full of crap. Yeah don't pay any attention to those old guys, they don't know anything. Just emulate Punkchild instead and you'll be okay.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78650434644838372082012-07-31T23:36:23.993-07:002012-07-31T23:36:23.993-07:00I will admit that the CCA manual, nor any other co...I will admit that the CCA manual, nor any other college manual, matter one bit when it comes to the pro game. I was merely pointing out earlier that even if a manual says something, it doesn't mean that every situation is handled exactly like that every time.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288543795321578552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-65709863348600707742012-07-31T23:14:09.368-07:002012-07-31T23:14:09.368-07:00Curt, how many posts from Pro's will it take?...Curt, how many posts from Pro's will it take? You are the type who reads the book, and then you think you know how the game should be played, after all the rules are in black and white. You need to find a guy who has been in pro ball. Sit down with him, and just listen. You may think you know baseball and the rules of the game, but you will quickly find out how little you really know. College baseball? Ok, that's fine. The Pro game is so different, it is another game all together.<br />If your a real baseball man, and fan, you must learn from a pro, there's nothing that compares.<br /><br />One of the Pro's posted a comment, he said someting like, "The book may say one thing, but on the field it's handled this way"...<br />or something to that affect...<br />Right there, right there, is a lesson! How can the book say one thing, but the umpires handled it another way? Talk to a pro, then you'll learn why.Big Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059152139707572715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-59354663340736471052012-07-31T22:17:39.795-07:002012-07-31T22:17:39.795-07:00This one has been an issue I've brought up wit...This one has been an issue I've brought up with my Team. As I have umpired and reffed hockey as well as been a player, I have learned that "working an official" rarely works and in fact usually has the opposite effect. I am the #2 catcher on my team and get pissed off by our starter. He routinely shows up umpires with the holding a pitch or the "go to throw it back and do a pump fake in disbelief you didn't get a call." I don't understand what good catchers think it will do by showing up an umpire. If I'm unsure or think we should have gotten a call I will ask the umpire where it was but that's it. I'm not really sure, especially for a rookie, what he is thinking here. Yes maybe Fairchild looked like a little bit of a pansy when he got poked but I don't see a whole lot wrong with him here. Easy Ejection.Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45757768705479721032012-07-31T22:00:07.199-07:002012-07-31T22:00:07.199-07:00Rat Boy:
I didn't say there weren't other ...Rat Boy:<br />I didn't say there weren't other manuals, and I didn't say that others may not follow local manuals. I do know that in collegiate basball, the CCA Manual trumps everything, including this one from Florida.<br /><br />Funny how Curt still hasn't answered the question about how many games he has umpired. Probably not a coincidence.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288543795321578552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2016727066228648132012-07-31T21:58:22.746-07:002012-07-31T21:58:22.746-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288543795321578552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-20693364205611605932012-07-31T21:40:52.137-07:002012-07-31T21:40:52.137-07:00If jerry layne isn't fed before midnight he ge...If jerry layne isn't fed before midnight he gets VERY cranky.. ... on a more serious note excellent question about the catcher.. I have had catchers in pro ball lie to the manager about pitches being strikes.... It usually depends on your relationship with the manager as to what happens after... There are so many ways this can go.... Usually they will ask the catcher in A) a mound visit or B) in the dugout in between innings.... Now does the manager tell you later.. IN a mound visit he most certainly will, so you have another question to answer DO you want to shove it up your catcher's A$$ on the mound? you can call him a liar or say i'm not sure the reason but he's not being straight up with ya... Now it is up to the manager as to where he wants to take it and this all happens so fast. A manager might also talk to you in between innings while giving you a change which technically is disputing balls and strikes but is generally allowed as long as it's conversation.... I could talk an hour or two about this subject alone it is very complex.... Bear in mind i am speaking from a professional perspective only.<br /><br />Confronting the catcher is usually NOT a good idea as it most certainly will go NOWHERE and likely lead into a MAJOR situation.... handles said situations sometimes is biting the bullet. But make sure one thing.. YOU DON'T miss a strike to that catcher ;)tmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15801025280017627526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-39597672217122848512012-07-31T21:24:04.214-07:002012-07-31T21:24:04.214-07:00Why is that? It is now 12:20 a.m. and it is still...Why is that? It is now 12:20 a.m. and it is still pouring rain in Boston (including Fenway). Even if it were to stop raining right now, it would still take until after 1:00 a.m. to resume the game.<br /><br />Jerry Layne clearly made the right call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33433767185750747942012-07-31T20:51:12.463-07:002012-07-31T20:51:12.463-07:00There should be a section dedicated to tonight'...There should be a section dedicated to tonight's decision to call the game in Boston.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-56446004627507303852012-07-31T19:26:40.918-07:002012-07-31T19:26:40.918-07:00a lot of this is from frustration because of those...a lot of this is from frustration because of those big inning the reds broadcaster talked about in the videoRossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-8977062050001429682012-07-31T19:11:59.870-07:002012-07-31T19:11:59.870-07:00As a former catcher, there's no way in the wor...As a former catcher, there's no way in the world I would do something like that! I may signal to the coach, but not saying something especially like that! And signalling to the coach would not upset anybody because chances are if I disagreed with the umpire he and I already had comments about it. <br /><br />I think if I were an umpire and a catcher was verbally doing that, they'd be gone pretty quickly. Warn him and dump him.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-61199086929220826152012-07-31T17:56:05.956-07:002012-07-31T17:56:05.956-07:00I'm curious to see some responses for the guy ...I'm curious to see some responses for the guy who posted above about the catcher lying to his coach about location. That was a good question!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-4744350023452892702012-07-31T17:54:25.285-07:002012-07-31T17:54:25.285-07:00@5:24, I might agree with you were your analysis n...@5:24, I might agree with you were your analysis not based on the false premise that Mesoraco "poked" Fairchild. Didn't happen. Watch the video. Unless Mesoraco has an index finger like stretch Armstrong that can bend and extend at that angle (while his other 4 digits are wrapped around the ball, mind you), there was no poke. <br /><br />Also, Mesoraco had his arm extended across his own body when Fairchild came and struck his pose in front of him. Fairchild came and put himself where Mesoraco's arm had to cross when he pulled it back. <br /><br />I don't doubt your bump story. But I am going to assume that you really did get bumped and that you were not flopping. I'm also going to assume that you did not place yourself where you were likely to get bumped. If my assumptions are correct, then your situation is different from this one.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-57414374118851164222012-07-31T17:40:09.281-07:002012-07-31T17:40:09.281-07:00Forget about walking away for a second. Does anyon...Forget about walking away for a second. Does anyone seriously believe this incident would have escalated like it did if Fairchild had not put on a production over the non-intentional touching?<br /><br />Anyone who looks at the video objectively can see that any contact was slight. It wasn't offensive or angry. It was nothing. Up to that point, was Mesoraco lunging, poking or otherwise going wild? No. <br /><br />The trigger was Fairchild putting on a show, as if Mesoraco intentionally caused contact. Mesoraco did not lose his mind until Fairchild (falsely) accused him of intentionally causing contact. Mesoraco is already agitated and ejected, but not acting stupid. Putting on a big production was guaranteed to escalate the confrontation. <br /><br />Fairchild was flopping, pure and simple. <br /><br />Even if Fairchild doesn't walk away, he could have avoided this post-ejection incident if he had just doneI one simple thing: Shut Up. Just shut up. Baker would have collected Mesoraco and that would have been it.Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.com