tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post4724840940233710268..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Type A: BR Overbay Obstructed on Ground Ball to InfielderLindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-4729627419391902272013-05-25T04:21:07.109-07:002013-05-25T04:21:07.109-07:00If you were watching a High School game then that ...If you were watching a High School game then that is the correct interpretation. Or a game where they are using HS rulesLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-50863383924455922112013-05-25T04:18:00.396-07:002013-05-25T04:18:00.396-07:00In Federation (High School) you MUST have POSSEION...In Federation (High School) you MUST have POSSEION of the ball to block the base leagally.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-71146515803335689502013-05-18T00:11:58.071-07:002013-05-18T00:11:58.071-07:00I think he might have thought it bounced off one o...I think he might have thought it bounced off one of the empty seats.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-61698457460880437702013-05-17T02:35:45.924-07:002013-05-17T02:35:45.924-07:00It looks like an incorrect call to me...I would in...It looks like an incorrect call to me...I would interested in hearing Wegner's explanation as to what it was he saw.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-76099838755735429422013-05-16T22:48:29.280-07:002013-05-16T22:48:29.280-07:00Where in the rule does it say that's relevant?...Where in the rule does it say that's relevant?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45991562839834628062013-05-16T13:56:32.330-07:002013-05-16T13:56:32.330-07:00I'm not quite sure what you saw, but I saw two...I'm not quite sure what you saw, but I saw two 'missed' swipes.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2150163190844069512013-05-16T13:55:24.097-07:002013-05-16T13:55:24.097-07:00Interesting play today in Cardinals- Mets game. Wh...Interesting play today in Cardinals- Mets game. What do you all think? Did Wegner make the right call. Even though Ankiel was rewarded the double, the Mets commentators certainly though that Wegner missed it. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=27171247&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_27171247&v=3Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-41998816247886888952013-05-16T13:22:55.877-07:002013-05-16T13:22:55.877-07:00Although this one sometimes doesn't look like ...Although this one sometimes doesn't look like it make sense, those umpires have it exactly right. In any case in which a runner is obstructed while they are making a play on him, the automatic penalty is 1 additional base from the last base legally touched. It's not up to interpretation or judgement at that point. Similar to an overthrow to a dead ball area has a defined penalty, so does this. The case in which you see this the most is in a rundown. No judgment necessary, if you have obstruction and an attempted play on the runner, call "time" and award one base.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-75243226909689772562013-05-16T10:40:21.566-07:002013-05-16T10:40:21.566-07:00I think the Umps comments were entirely too nice t...I think the Umps comments were entirely too nice to Wedge. I don't understand what he didn't understand or why he didn't immediately the rule on obstruction when it was called.<br />It seems to me that by the MLB level, the managers should know these rules as well as anybody. Look at how Scoscia helped himself last week knowing the rules.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-11646265122962236822013-05-16T08:26:04.022-07:002013-05-16T08:26:04.022-07:00Hahaha. Looks like Hawk gets it wrong again! He ...Hahaha. Looks like Hawk gets it wrong again! He tagged him twice before he got his hand in. The sad part about it is that Jordan actually made a nice adjustment and was in great position to see the tag(s)...but he Didn't see them and apparently neither did Hawk!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-65718513056602738712013-05-16T04:59:53.620-07:002013-05-16T04:59:53.620-07:00There's no penalty on the defense if a runner ...There's no penalty on the defense if a runner makes it to the base he already acquired.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-68968099850360619232013-05-16T01:01:50.824-07:002013-05-16T01:01:50.824-07:00WOW. What a call. Not even sure whether he was saf...WOW. What a call. Not even sure whether he was safe or out. Gil, we need an article on this!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-86569949465394109222013-05-16T00:47:57.950-07:002013-05-16T00:47:57.950-07:00See my comments above regarding Layne and Wendelst...See my comments above regarding Layne and Wendelstedt's explanation of the play in which the umpires confirm the explanation given above.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-65502444194638715322013-05-16T00:47:21.666-07:002013-05-16T00:47:21.666-07:00Crew Chief Jerry Layne and Hunter Wendelstedt stat...Crew Chief Jerry Layne and Hunter Wendelstedt <a href="http://blog.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2013/05/14/umpires-explanation-for-the-obstruction-call/" rel="nofollow">stated the following</a> in regards to this call, referencing the aforementioned Rules 7.06(a) and the Umpire Manual interpretation that any time such obstruction happens on the batter-runner before he achieves first base, the ball is dead and obstruction A is the call:<br /><br />Layne: Any time the runner is obstructed before first base, the ball is dead. He’s awarded first base, and any runner that could be forced is awarded [his base]. That’s why [Wells] was given second base. What had happened was when they went to field the ball, the pitcher and the first baseman were going toward the bag. There was a second there when neither one of them knew who was going to cover, in my opinion. I don’t know that, but that’s what it looked like. But the person that didn’t receive the ball, which was the pitcher, obstructed the runner going to first base. Per that rule, any time it happens before first base, the ball is dead. That clarifies it. Eric [Wedge] said it didn’t happen before first base, and that’s what the discussion was about.<br /><br />Wendelstedt: We have a clarification in the baseball rules interpretation manual. Only one fielder can be in the act of fielding the ball. Now that fielder [in this case] was the first baseman. So that’s where the obstruction came in because there were multiple fielders fielding the [throw]. Now there’s a couple of different kinds of obstruction. But on the type of play like this, which was a ground ball, it doesn’t matter if the runner is 89 feet away when he gets obstructed or if he’s one inch away. If he is obstructed before first base, the ball is dead and he is awarded first base.<br /><br />Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2013/05/14/umpires-explanation-for-the-obstruction-call/#storylink=cpyLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30017389232950914522013-05-16T00:39:16.136-07:002013-05-16T00:39:16.136-07:00You've got to be kidding me. Case 1 which is a...You've got to be kidding me. Case 1 which is an OFFICIAL RULE INTERPRETATION by MLB says that even though the infielder has "an easy play on the ball," obstruction A is still the correct call. It's black and white, case closed. This is obstruction and was correctly called.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-86272969770854015892013-05-15T19:49:43.769-07:002013-05-15T19:49:43.769-07:00Doesn't matter if he slowed down or what the t...Doesn't matter if he slowed down or what the timing of the contact was...he must be allowed to make it to 1B without being impeded.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33119659502145143542013-05-15T19:48:31.001-07:002013-05-15T19:48:31.001-07:00Actually, it doesn't make it difference...as t...Actually, it doesn't make it difference...as the BR must be allowed to touch first base without obstruction, whether or not the out was made before contact with the out of place fielder. The whole purpose of the rule is to take the judgement out of the umpires hand as to whether the BR would have made it first without making contact with the fielder or if he would have made it to first without having to slow down in order to avoid the fielder. <br /><br />This is made evident in the first sentence of the rule for Type A..."or if the batter-runner is obstructed before he touches first base"Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-28048416150503382342013-05-15T19:27:59.777-07:002013-05-15T19:27:59.777-07:00Although it is not relative to an ejection, I chal...Although it is not relative to an ejection, I challenge your determination that obstruction is the correct ruling in this instance.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-6826468365660105002013-05-15T19:22:46.950-07:002013-05-15T19:22:46.950-07:00Watch the replay. Overbay absolutely did not slow...Watch the replay. Overbay absolutely did not slow down or alter his running in any way prior to being retired.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-89977581856452078042013-05-15T19:03:37.623-07:002013-05-15T19:03:37.623-07:00This is absolute text obstruction. Obstruction be...This is absolute text obstruction. Obstruction before 1st base automatically awards BR 1st base. Overbay was cleary hindered, even if he was "technically" retired before there was actual contact. Don't forget - there does NOT need to be contact to constitute obstruction. Overbay had to slow down and alter his path due to Hernandez standing in front of first base. My only question is - why the heck didn't Alan Porter call this right away?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-61636751733621699472013-05-15T18:52:50.068-07:002013-05-15T18:52:50.068-07:00There is no way this was obstruction. The batter-...There is no way this was obstruction. The batter-runner was retired well before there was any hindrance.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66397039048273732362013-05-15T18:50:18.963-07:002013-05-15T18:50:18.963-07:00Wrong. Obstruction happened before contact, Overba...Wrong. Obstruction happened before contact, Overbay slowed down to try and avoid hitting King Felix. Doesn't matter that Overbay would be out with no obstruction, the penalty has to be enforced. I mean the applicable rule is cited above, doesn't get any easier than thatLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-26380489594930861982013-05-15T18:36:53.271-07:002013-05-15T18:36:53.271-07:00Overbay was already out before obstruction. Incorr...Overbay was already out before obstruction. Incorrect callLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-89909195107580962622013-05-15T17:23:08.457-07:002013-05-15T17:23:08.457-07:00The out happened before the OBS. And yeah, it does...The out happened before the OBS. And yeah, it does make a difference.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-20707953077630495932013-05-15T16:16:59.234-07:002013-05-15T16:16:59.234-07:00It would be difficult for me to imagine a situatio...It would be difficult for me to imagine a situation in which obstruction would be called on a pick-off play at 1B since F3 would be making a play on the ball and there isn't likely going to be another defensive player in the way. <br /><br />In the case of overrunning 2B, I could see awarding the runner 3B if he overran the bag and somehow F6 got in between him and the bag while F4 was attempting to tag him out, or vice versa, although I could understand the confusion in determining whether to awarded 2B or 3B as the sentences in the rule would be contradictory in this case; however, I would interpret "obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he last legally touched" as a requirement to award 3B in this situation, even if my judgement told me he was attempting to retreat back to 2B.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com