tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post4726703351003943456..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Ejections: Adrian Johnson (2)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79332027008255274872011-05-26T16:30:13.634-07:002011-05-26T16:30:13.634-07:00@Anonymous 4:19 PM PT, at the present time, the on...@Anonymous 4:19 PM PT, at the present time, the only way to get a ruling of inconclusive is by means of a challenge. Challenged Quality of Correctness (CQOC) may be correct/inconclusive/correct, just as before; it's just that the initial FQOCs cannot be inconclusive. A status of inconclusive just means we may continue to review the play throughout the current phase of the season (for instance, our current phase, phase #3, ends at the All-Star break) and change the inconclusive CQOC to correct/incorrect. Only inconclusive CQOCs may be modified, and if after the current phase of the season, CQOC is still inconclusive, under UEFL Rule 7.a.ii., "Quality of Correctness shall revert to reflect the call made on the field as Correct."<br /><br />Rationale: On the field, an umpire must call out or safe (or Fair/Foul, Strike/Ball, etc.); there is no intermediate judgement. Therefore, after the review period is complete on this website, only correct/incorrect QOCs shall remain. If the umpire does not have the luxury of inconclusiveness, neither shall we.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-29914790619946336202011-05-26T16:19:21.591-07:002011-05-26T16:19:21.591-07:00I would like to make the suggestion that perhaps &...I would like to make the suggestion that perhaps "inconclusive" should be viewed as such,and 0 points be awarded since it is deemed neither right or wrong?<br /><br />Just a thoughtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-70505067601973462072011-05-26T08:47:31.551-07:002011-05-26T08:47:31.551-07:00Well, tmac, I think it's quite fair that when ...Well, tmac, I think it's quite fair that when it's so close you can't determine safe or out based on multiple looks (including slow motion and stop action) it's a correct call no matter what the umpire calls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-46882758458279934892011-05-26T06:55:13.923-07:002011-05-26T06:55:13.923-07:00@tmac, no troubles, when you mentioned calls shoul...@tmac, no troubles, when you mentioned calls shouldn't be correct, I made the @ss-umption that they therefore should be incorrect, not left as simply inconclusive.<br /><br />I do like the way it is now. Umpire made call, can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either. So we'll have to leave it to the umpire who made it. More of a preponderance of the evidence, rather than the beyond reasonable doubt argument.Adam & Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03840192450083195273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-71172517928940194722011-05-26T00:53:10.457-07:002011-05-26T00:53:10.457-07:00We operate under the framework of "if the evi...We operate under the framework of "if the evidence isn't there to disprove the call, it's not wrong." I think that is most fair.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-86073403825279065242011-05-26T00:48:53.750-07:002011-05-26T00:48:53.750-07:00@ gil: Thanks for the write up and clarification:...@ gil: Thanks for the write up and clarification: I guess there are lies damn lies and the rest.... so when i read umpires have been ruled correct on such a high percentage of calls i will take it with a salt shaker.. I could have used you back in the day to rule all my calls correct.tmacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90503800384063956552011-05-25T23:03:52.392-07:002011-05-25T23:03:52.392-07:00True, the UEFL used to operate on an initial Quali...True, the UEFL used to operate on an initial Quality of Correctness (QOC) of correct/inconclusive/incorrect. When we overhauled our spreadsheet this season, we did away with the initial finalized inconclusive QOC. Instead, we use a placeholder QOC (PQOC), which is attributed to all ejection write-ups which have yet to be reviewed because the video is not yet available, etc. PQOCs are denoted by tags #DEFAULT PLACEHOLDER QUALITY OF CORRECTNESS IS "CORRECT"#. PQOCs are subject to change upon review of the play, and because default PQOC always must be "correct," PQOCs may not be challenged. PQOCs may not remain attached to a post for more than 12 hours at the most; they are replaced by a Finalized Quality of Correctness (FQOC) after review. FQOCs may be challenged once by any user.<br /><br />The following is a list of standardized instruction to UEFL QOC judges:<br />For all intermediate QOC determinations, please use the 1-9 scale, where 1 represents "absolutely incorrect," 5 represents "inconclusive," and 9 represents "absolutely correct."<br />1) Watch a real-time broadcast replay only once. Log your QOC determination for this step in section [1].<br />2) Watch a slow motion replay, if available, from only one angle, no more than ten times. If multiple angles are available, the angle chosen should correspond to that which most closely resembles the calling umpire's probably angle when making the call. Log your QOC determination for this step in section [2].<br />3) Watch a slow motion replay, if available, from all other angles, no more than ten times per angle. Log the average QOC determination for this step in section [3].<br />4) Compare [2] and [3]; if the numbers are significantly close to either extreme of the scale, report that end's label as the FQOC. If not, advance to step 5.<br />5) Compare [2] and [3]; if the numbers conflict, attribute an absolute weight of 2x (relative to 5 as the zero point) to [2] and compare to [3] again. If the numbers still significantly conflict, advance to step 6.<br />6) Compare [1], [3], and the weighted [2] calculated in step 5. Average. If <4 or >6, report a probable FQOC. If the average is between 4 and 6, refer to UEFL Rule 7.a.ii.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-1863249204967097462011-05-25T22:22:32.588-07:002011-05-25T22:22:32.588-07:00I think the idea behind determining calls like thi...I think the idea behind determining calls like this as correct might possibly stem from the idea that a player shouldn't argue a call that was that close. Johnson may well have been wrong (although I happen to believe ties really do happen) but the call was so close that ejecting Braun for arguing it should still give Johnson owners points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-52202951092528792442011-05-25T16:47:42.986-07:002011-05-25T16:47:42.986-07:00Adam,
In the past if there was no precise way to ...Adam,<br /><br />In the past if there was no precise way to determine if the call was correct or incorrect it was called inconclusive. The fact then when I watched this play ON mlb.tv premium I used the slow mo frame by frame to determine it was nearly impossible to determine. I LOVE that call... BUT could you see it with your naked eye? SO far in these comments you are all truth tellers b/c NOBODY says they saw it clearly. And by the way NOWHERE did i say to call this incorrect.tmacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2987381143464334152011-05-25T16:06:04.005-07:002011-05-25T16:06:04.005-07:00Most umpires use "the runner must beat the ba...Most umpires use "the runner must beat the ball" theory...if the runner arrives at the same time as the ball, he didn't beat it, and is out. This call is close to that, but the runner is out...not inconclusive...out. Great call by Johnson.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-87792913468853375002011-05-25T09:18:22.245-07:002011-05-25T09:18:22.245-07:00tmac - is that what the rule says, that the ball m...tmac - is that what the rule says, that the ball must beat the runner?<br /><br />It looks like a great call to me.Jon Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536926849992961224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-42474563942041190682011-05-25T07:12:32.949-07:002011-05-25T07:12:32.949-07:00@tmac...You can't call every inconclusive play...@tmac...You can't call every inconclusive play incorrect either, so since the umpire made a call, you can't overturn that simply because it's inconclusive...<br /><br />Bang, Bang, I like the call.Adam & Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03840192450083195273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-12385139839560864102011-05-25T06:17:50.938-07:002011-05-25T06:17:50.938-07:00If it's that close that we still can't dec...If it's that close that we still can't decide even with slow-mo, mutiple angles, and stop-footage, the call *should* be considered correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-15828425310207447442011-05-25T03:27:23.536-07:002011-05-25T03:27:23.536-07:00http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15144...http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15144943<br />Show Nats feedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-35398425393036480142011-05-25T02:33:58.131-07:002011-05-25T02:33:58.131-07:00Can't get much closer than this, good call Adr...Can't get much closer than this, good call Adrian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-16516029309537334042011-05-24T23:29:22.309-07:002011-05-24T23:29:22.309-07:00I don't understand why inconclusive plays are ...I don't understand why inconclusive plays are viewed as correct... I watched the Masn feed on MLB.tv premium and used the slow mo option and still can't tell and they have the best angle with the open glove and the foot touching the bag at what appears to be the same time... Now that would be an out.. but on that feed from the brewers cast nobody in their right mind could say difinitively beyond a shoadow of a doubt the ball BEAT the runner.tmacnoreply@blogger.com