tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post7704175963787191489..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: MLB Ejections 077, 078: Hirschbeck (2), Reynolds (3)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63307967934262274812013-06-19T15:31:33.575-07:002013-06-19T15:31:33.575-07:00Your eyes must be horrible if you think that secon...Your eyes must be horrible if you think that second balk was less noticeable than the first one. It was the exact same movement. As I stated before, an umpires job is to call what he sees, not to contemplate the degree of what he sees and whether it was more or less of a balk than the previous balk. A balk is a balk and should be called. If I'm a team with a runner on 3B and the pitcher balks and it's not called, especially if the same movement was called to move my runner to 3B, I'm going to be furious and you better believe you're going to hear about it.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2253032585405554462013-06-19T15:28:09.444-07:002013-06-19T15:28:09.444-07:00Yes, we do 'get it', you are the one that ...Yes, we do 'get it', you are the one that seems not to understand. An umpires job is not to sit on the field and consider, "How will making this call affect the game and will it cause any ejections?" His job is to see a call and make a call based on what happens. If you were on my crew and missed making calls because you were 'afraid' of the repercussions I'd do everything in my power to make sure you didn't get back out on that field.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-70608314397284315362013-06-18T03:42:00.057-07:002013-06-18T03:42:00.057-07:00"You can't call that now" a phrase t..."You can't call that now" a phrase that I only hear from coaches or coaches trying to be part time umps. I hear it most on balk calls and t is almost universally followed with "you have to give a warning first." My response is "this should warn you to not do it again."<br /><br />The last time I heard that insulting phrase was calling the final out (tying run on 3rd, bases loaded) on a batter fouling a ball while stepping on the plate. It was also followed by the almost obligatory claim for a warning and a subsequent post-game ejection. Funny thing, in the 1st I told that coach his boys were stepping completely out of the box on their swings and if they touch the ball they are out.<br /><br />Still got the ridiculous "can't call that now" crap. If you are willing to call it when it "doesn't matter" then you better call it all the time. Otherwise you're taking sides.<br /><br />I mean, what's the line? Eventually you can't call a close 3rd strike to end the game with a significant run on base? Can't call interference on the clean hitting tying run? There's a phrase to describe that kind of umpiring: bush league.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-70449467134293343792013-06-17T13:21:31.466-07:002013-06-17T13:21:31.466-07:00You obviously don't know what "Grabbing t...You obviously don't know what "Grabbing the sh!tty end of the stick"means.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-47448065010305519322013-06-17T10:48:53.807-07:002013-06-17T10:48:53.807-07:00In re 077 Hirschbeck 2, 078 Reynolds 3:
After rev...In re 077 Hirschbeck 2, 078 Reynolds 3:<br /><br />After review, the Original Ruling has been affirmed in a unanimous 4-0-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Four Appeals Board members voted to confirm the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Majority Opinion, RichMSN:<br />When I hold our baseball umpires clinic next year, I will probably use these as examples of start-and-stop balks. Confirm.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, BT_Blue:<br />Both of these are classic "start-and-stop" balks. Perhaps the easiest Confirm I will have all season.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, Turducken:<br />Waste of time, confirm. 8.01(B) -- have to come in a CONTINUOUS motion.<br /><br />Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Confirmed: tmac, RichMSN, BT_Blue, Turducken<br />Upheld: -<br />Overturned: -<br />Deferred: -<br />Abstained: Gil (posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (deployment), yawetag (owns Hirschbeck)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-62532135215056984042013-06-17T00:03:09.027-07:002013-06-17T00:03:09.027-07:00This ruling has been challenged and is under revie...This ruling has been challenged and is under review by the UEFL Appeals Board.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-71844095974362461582013-06-16T07:40:50.804-07:002013-06-16T07:40:50.804-07:00Certainly not a better but good enough view especi...Certainly not a better but good enough view especially considering my ability to distinguish a balk from a non balkLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-82741190840946935872013-06-16T07:35:44.962-07:002013-06-16T07:35:44.962-07:00Are these ejections being reviewed Are these ejections being reviewed Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-31691874893065391072013-06-15T08:27:21.907-07:002013-06-15T08:27:21.907-07:00My username is a hint. :)
I agree with you. The...My username is a hint. :)<br /><br /><br />I agree with you. The coaches wouldn't understand. What's more, I work small college baseball and I'm not sure all of *those* coaches would understand, either.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-49660528768547061712013-06-15T08:15:35.022-07:002013-06-15T08:15:35.022-07:00What city you live in? Maybe I know you!What city you live in? Maybe I know you!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-67754257952382816872013-06-14T23:20:20.326-07:002013-06-14T23:20:20.326-07:00Continuous motion.Continuous motion.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-39786946875481935942013-06-14T23:19:30.931-07:002013-06-14T23:19:30.931-07:00I'm an umpire in Wisconsin and I'd balk bo...I'm an umpire in Wisconsin and I'd balk both of those when working HS varsity games. Without a second thought, BTW.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90770562652659293412013-06-14T19:39:39.616-07:002013-06-14T19:39:39.616-07:00Copied from my other post
The website says "s...Copied from my other post<br />The website says "start-stop" viloates 8.05(a):<br /><br />"The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery;"<br /><br />Coming set is not a motion naturally associated with his delivery. In fact, while coming set, the pitcher can step off or step and throw to a base. 8.05(a) only comes into play once he starts his motion to pitch.<br /><br />Wendelstedt says a balk is: "The pitcher starts and stops his motion to deliver a pitch (8.05a), bring his hands together in either pitching position, or to disengage the pitcher's plate (8.01b).<br /><br />This is from the 2010 WUM. <br /><br />Bolding is mine.<br /><br />Note Wendelstedt references 8.01(b). The problem is there is no balk penalty in 8.01(b). I used to think that I could reference, in the unlikely event that somebody questioned why it was a balk, 8.01(b) or ©, as starting and stopping is basically a feint without a step. Later, from believable sources, and from WUM I've learned that this particular 8.01(b) violation is a balk by custom and practice (and JE balk video) although the other violation mentionioned in this situation's paragraph is still a "do not do that'.<br /><br />For additional rumination I add the following verbiage from 8.01(b): "After assuming the set position,any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to pitch without alteration or interruption."<br /><br />Again, bolding mine.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-42168262732431378992013-06-14T19:34:06.057-07:002013-06-14T19:34:06.057-07:00You could really argue both sides here. At colleg...You could really argue both sides here. At college level or higher they both should be called. In my opinion if you call that at the high school level or lower coaches are going to think you are a horrible umpire because no one will think that is a balk. They will not be thinking he is a good umpire because he is making a tough call. In my experience at the high school level when you make the hard call even if its the right call they think you are a bad umpire. That is of course in the state of Wisconsin where high school ball is not very good.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-27642971942784706592013-06-14T18:47:09.374-07:002013-06-14T18:47:09.374-07:00Iif im balkin in the tieing run in the 9th inning...Iif im balkin in the tieing run in the 9th inning, there better be atleast one or two other guys on the crew that are banging that balk at the same time. The second balk was definitely less noticable than the 1st one - in fact, if bob passed on it like Hoye did, we probably wouldnt even be having this conversation. There's only 2 other MLB umpires who would be dumb enough to make a call like that (West & Hernandez). The phrase "people dont come to watch you umpire" came from guys that wanna make the big call at the wrong time in the game. One thing's for sure, Davidson grabbed the sh!tty end of the stick & unfortunately, two of his partners got the crap on them too.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79375415184732632242013-06-14T18:40:12.727-07:002013-06-14T18:40:12.727-07:00elvis andrus got ejected by eric cooper
http://gy...elvis andrus got ejected by eric cooper<br /><br />http://gyazo.com/6ba95dd586c24a15d94a442f0608391cLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33433204268505649812013-06-14T16:02:32.605-07:002013-06-14T16:02:32.605-07:00Congratulations to Chris Conroy: http://mlb.mlb.co...Congratulations to Chris Conroy: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130614&content_id=50618020&vkey=pr_mlb&c_id=mlb ... Always good when your sources pan.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-33362903312202677912013-06-14T15:36:11.560-07:002013-06-14T15:36:11.560-07:00Its an absolutely necessary call. You can't ca...Its an absolutely necessary call. You can't call it once, and then let the exact same thing go a second time. The other dugout will see that, and you'll have absolutely no excuse. What are you gonna tell the opposing coach? I didnt call the second one because I would have had to run someone? Well now youre running him. Ejections happen. You cant run from them, or you'll lose respect.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-74906835007793129272013-06-14T15:30:15.635-07:002013-06-14T15:30:15.635-07:00SMJ:
Umpires should see what they call and cal...SMJ:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Umpires should see what they call and call what we see. The more worried we are about "game management" (aka COACH APPEASMENT), the less effective we are going to be at our jobs. The more we worry about the coach appeasement you are supporting, the worse product we put out.<br /><br /><br /><br />Do me a favor, trade in your chest protector for a coaches clip board because if you said that to me after I NAILED a balk like Bob did, I would tell you where you could stick it.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-20312039024657501502013-06-14T15:23:53.879-07:002013-06-14T15:23:53.879-07:00Conroy has been officially named full time. Aweso...Conroy has been officially named full time. Awesome news for him. Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-64084136170327578362013-06-14T15:21:46.269-07:002013-06-14T15:21:46.269-07:00Will:
I don't disagree with you but my chapt...Will:<br /><br /><br />I don't disagree with you but my chapter is very hardline "See a Balk, Call a Balk"Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-20459944626891312932013-06-14T14:04:39.996-07:002013-06-14T14:04:39.996-07:00The issue is not whether he balked or not - it'...The issue is not whether he balked or not - it's choosing to make an UNNECESSARY call at the worst time possible. Yes, Lopez balked twice in a row and the crew got the first one.... however, if I'm Hirshbeck (the CC), the first thing I would say to Davidson after the game is "C'mon Bob, did you REALLY have to make that call at THAT time of the game" ????Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-32014148393888498782013-06-14T13:57:34.391-07:002013-06-14T13:57:34.391-07:00An umpire with good judgment makes the right call....An umpire with good judgment makes the right call. What decided the outcome of the game was the fact that Lopez balked, not once, but twice, in the same way both times. Davidson just called it and he was correct to do so. If you don't want a balk to be called, DON'T BALK.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-6030577793231485052013-06-14T13:55:30.176-07:002013-06-14T13:55:30.176-07:00True.....however, choosing to NOT making a tiky-ta...True.....however, choosing to NOT making a tiky-tac call in the 9th inning that decides the outcome of the game is the mark of an umpire who has good "judgement". You guys just don't get it... do ya?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-48503946012406459662013-06-14T13:47:55.180-07:002013-06-14T13:47:55.180-07:00Making the wrong call because you don't want t...Making the wrong call because you don't want to deal with coaches is the mark of a bad umpire.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com