tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post7825684742945191651..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: MLB Ejection 070: Jordan Baker (3; Billy Butler)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-56854639053633600892013-06-20T08:56:40.891-07:002013-06-20T08:56:40.891-07:00... That's the thing, though. He removed himse...... That's the thing, though. He removed himself from the bench to the clubhouse to review video. When he went to review the video, I considered that the second argument. <br /><br />Had he not continued his argument from the bench, the call would have stood.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-17589928232687402702013-06-19T11:43:28.993-07:002013-06-19T11:43:28.993-07:00I agree that this SHOULD be considered Irrecusable...I agree that this SHOULD be considered Irrecusable, but under UEFL rules as they are currently written it CAN'T be. The repeat visit rule requires leaving the dugout to be done to argue with the umpire, and in this situation that is simply not what happened; he left to view a replay. Under the rules that does not constitute a "visit" and therefore can't be considered a repeat visit ejection.<br /><br />What needs to happen is the addition of a new rule after the season ends regarding players viewing replays and being ejected from the dugout. Right now, unless I am missing something, no UEFL rule allows for what happened in this ejection to be considered Irrecusable.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-26183217560715326762013-06-19T08:52:38.531-07:002013-06-19T08:52:38.531-07:00I can't speak for the rest of the board -- but...I can't speak for the rest of the board -- but when you enter the clubhouse area to view a replay of what just happened, you have left the dugout area. The buck stops with video, for me. Unless blatantly missed, any use of video review will almost certainly lead to an ejection.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38185117908497730722013-06-17T01:58:56.154-07:002013-06-17T01:58:56.154-07:00I believe this decision by the Appeals Board is in...I believe this decision by the Appeals Board is in direct violation of UEFL Rule 6-2-b-5-b. The rule defines a "visit" as "a manager, coach, or player [leaving] the dugout or his position to argue a call with an umpire." Since Butler was ejected from the dugout his actions do not constitute a "visit" as defined by the rule.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-73598195055586950432013-06-15T21:46:02.097-07:002013-06-15T21:46:02.097-07:00In re 070 Baker 3
After review, the Original Ruli...In re 070 Baker 3<br /><br />After review, the Original Ruling has been reversed in a 3-1-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Three Appeals Board members voted to overturn the Original Ruling while one elected to confirm it.<br /><br />Majority Opinion, Turducken:<br />I'm going to overturn. After the game, Butler opined "...I came back and looked at it again, and it was even more (inside) than I thought it was." ... Baker missed the pitch (it was inside) and Butler argued at the plate. If you have to go to video review to determine whether the call was correct or not, that's an automatic ejection and technically, a second argument. Repeat visits are classified as unsportsmanlike conduct, hence my decision to overturn the call of incorrect to irrecusable.<br /><br />Dissenting Opinion, tmac:<br />I vote to confirm. He was ejected for arguing when returning to the dug out. Aren't all ejections unsportsmanlike? I'm not totaly believing Butler, either.... he saw the pitch within seconds of being rung up..... then came back in that same minute.... to argue more. Hmmmm something doesn't add up here. Now i have to read a players mind to see whether he might be lying in the post game comments in order to make himself not look like a hot head for getting ejected.<br /><br />Therefore, the Board affirms the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Confirmed: tmac<br />Upheld: -<br />Overturned: RichMSN, yawetag, Turducken<br />Deferred: -<br />Abstained: Gil (posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (deployment), BT_Blue (owns Baker)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-49636875806522471592013-06-15T01:52:30.052-07:002013-06-15T01:52:30.052-07:00,maybe it's because he looks about 16 years ol...,maybe it's because he looks about 16 years old. (nothing he can do about that),Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-37258774270068846972013-06-13T22:34:47.805-07:002013-06-13T22:34:47.805-07:00Yes, we're under review.Yes, we're under review.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38507014198520316412013-06-13T22:23:11.548-07:002013-06-13T22:23:11.548-07:00This ruling has been challenged and is under revie...This ruling has been challenged and is under review by the UEFL Appeals Board.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7413428635980803982013-06-13T15:38:11.884-07:002013-06-13T15:38:11.884-07:00There have also been a lot of guys work that event...There have also been a lot of guys work that event who never went to fall league or see a MLB field. It is choosen by the league president not MLB. There are much better younger umpires out there such as Gibson, Hamari, Little, Buckminster... These guys you should look out for.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-60699400450904064302013-06-13T14:26:31.131-07:002013-06-13T14:26:31.131-07:00Klein received the HP Assignment for the World Fut...Klein received the HP Assignment for the World Futures Game a few years back, I believe. That's a big sign.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-87476373924089989762013-06-13T14:25:20.967-07:002013-06-13T14:25:20.967-07:00So, do we have a challenge here, or not? Gil?So, do we have a challenge here, or not? Gil?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-14216368848936162462013-06-13T07:41:10.113-07:002013-06-13T07:41:10.113-07:00ever hear of the phrase "protect the plate&qu...ever hear of the phrase "protect the plate"? probably got grilled into you as a player when you were a kid, or heard coaches tell it to players.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-6082704571532960262013-06-13T07:41:09.877-07:002013-06-13T07:41:09.877-07:00Trust me, arguing balls and strikes is like pissin...Trust me, arguing balls and strikes is like pissing into the wind, I know that. It does not take Sherlock Holmes to figure that out, Larry Holmes could get that. -) What gets me is when umpires make a string of questionable calls (which Baker has so far this year). Add in the gum thing and it leads to unwanted attention. <br /><br /><br /><br />My favorite umpire is Alfonso Marquez, but he butchered a call a couple weeks ago b/c he failed to get into good position in a timely fashion. Even the best umpires (Jim Joyce) make mistakes! I just get upset when they do it repeatedly. <br /><br /><br /><br />I also get upset when they fail to protect players (as in the LA/ARZ game the other night).Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-54288303009038057532013-06-13T06:43:06.000-07:002013-06-13T06:43:06.000-07:00Well, the gum thing was truly bizarre, but I'm...Well, the gum thing was truly bizarre, but I'm looking at this as one incident, one ejection, one pitch. And it's not *that* horrendous of a call -- not when the player needed to go back to the dugout, watch a video to confirm he's right, and then get chunked from the dugout.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-7402216351560918512013-06-13T06:03:33.477-07:002013-06-13T06:03:33.477-07:00Gee, thanks for the tip. I usually am the first ...Gee, thanks for the tip. I usually am the first person to give credit for good calls, but Jordan has blown a few calls this year, and his DISGUSTING gum habit pushes it over the line for me. Umpires improve (CB Bucknor, for example). Some don't (Angel Hernandez, for example). You're entitled to disagree with me, as I most certainly (and assiduously) do with you. Thanks!Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30255799474141445542013-06-13T00:12:17.670-07:002013-06-13T00:12:17.670-07:00Thank you. I think my argument only will work if a...Thank you. I think my argument only will work if anyone can find the MLB Network video of the Royals dugout where he goes into the tunnel, comes back out to yell at Baker, and then gets run. That or the post game interview where he says as much.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-1492360492085237972013-06-12T20:16:07.543-07:002013-06-12T20:16:07.543-07:00I've seen way too many players get caught look...I've seen way too many players get caught looking on fastballs right over the heart of the plate to believe that.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63806447660229937612013-06-12T20:05:52.033-07:002013-06-12T20:05:52.033-07:00Respectfully Disagree. At the MLB level your good ...Respectfully Disagree. At the MLB level your good enough to know that pitch (especially with its trajectory) was a ballLindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-61360600418852518272013-06-12T19:10:43.217-07:002013-06-12T19:10:43.217-07:00I'll be clear: I have not and in no way am say...I'll be clear: I have not and in no way am saying that the game situation somehow makes the call correct. It does not. I am merely pointing out that a batter with two strikes on him, in any situation, should be swinging the bat and attempting to, at the very least, foul off anything close. This is even more true when you are losing in the final inning of the game.<br /><br /><br />Does it change the fact that the call was wrong? No. Baker blew it, I'm not arguing that and am not attempting to defend him. It's just basic baseball: Butler shouldn't be keeping his bat on his shoulder in this situation.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-87332718681124877662013-06-12T19:05:41.670-07:002013-06-12T19:05:41.670-07:00BAPACOP
You can't be serious that that was a...BAPACOP<br /><br /><br />You can't be serious that that was a pitch you need to swing at. It was a breaking ball in at the hands that missed in. That pitch was in and he Butler knew it. He made the right decision to not swing. It was not a good hitting pitch nor was it a strike.<br /><br /><br />I would be the first person to defend an official on borderline pitches (especially late), but Jordan Baker is indefensible in this situation.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-51709955138043496882013-06-12T17:59:40.332-07:002013-06-12T17:59:40.332-07:00The Phillies - I grew up near Philadelphia.
I...The Phillies - I grew up near Philadelphia.<br /><br /><br />I'm a big fan of Tim Timmons -- here's why. I was on a flight with him last year (he was home and heading to a game somewhere) and I noticed his bag tag (that had a big MLB logo and his name) and I went up and introduced myself on the way off the plane. We talked for 10-15 minutes in the concourse and ever since I've been looking to see what series he's working and picked him for the UEFL that reason this year. Such a nice guy who really seemed interested in talking with an amateur umpire.<br /><br /><br />Looking at Pitch F/X, the pitch to Butler was 0.1 feet (1.2 inches) inside. That's a close, close pitch, considering the margin of error. Of course I'd call that a strike all day in the games I work. :)Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-48069777781296646902013-06-12T17:52:11.879-07:002013-06-12T17:52:11.879-07:00Rich what team do you cheer for? I tend to agree ...Rich what team do you cheer for? I tend to agree with what you say about 90% of the time. Do you have a favorite umpire?Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-83853724339238097962013-06-12T14:54:35.423-07:002013-06-12T14:54:35.423-07:00You're right about Kline -- he's a very go...You're right about Kline -- he's a very good umpire. <br /><br />In this particular case, Baker knows he missed the pitch. Just interesting, because his timing wasn't off. But the situation was handled well.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-14702412215703705692013-06-12T14:02:28.280-07:002013-06-12T14:02:28.280-07:00I mean, I'd look at it. I think it's worth...I mean, I'd look at it. I think it's worthy of a challenge.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-16503985856280655492013-06-12T13:59:48.197-07:002013-06-12T13:59:48.197-07:00If you are correct (hopefully for me you are not) ...If you are correct (hopefully for me you are not) I still had to try. Baker is one of my primaries so even if the appeal was to be looked at I would not be voting on it.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.com