tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post8139877152146634484..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Ejections 126, 127: Vic Carapazza (2), Marty Foster (5)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-76289572065251288812012-08-20T11:03:33.340-07:002012-08-20T11:03:33.340-07:00After review, the Original Ruling has been reverse...After review, the Original Ruling has been reversed, in part, and affirmed, in part, in a unanimous 3-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Three Appeals Board members voted to overturn Quality of Correctness.<br /><br />Per Curiam Opinion:<br />(1)<br />Reason for Ejection is directly related to the reversed safe/out call; Pursuant to <a href="http://portal.closecallsports.com/uefl-rules" rel="nofollow">UEFL Rule 6-5-c-3</a>, "Unsportsmanlike Conduct-NEC is only assigned when no other reason for ejection may be assessed." Because safe/out is appropriate, it supercedes the NEC designation. Reason is therefore affirmed.<br /><br />(2)<br />In regards to Quality of Correctness, the board has found visual evidence to confirm the correctness of the original call on the field.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, <b>RichMSN</b>:<br />(1) Taking a play from a knee allows for no quick adjustments. Perhaps Kellogg felt he was screened by the body of the fielder coming towards him and didn't want to be the next Welke, where replay showed the fielder off by a few feet. Except this time, Kellogg got it exactly right.<br /><br />This is the play where I'll make the exact same call and have everyone on the offence will beg for me to "get help." And I won't, because I know I'm the only person who is looking at the feet throughout the play whereas everyone looks at the play and then notices that, seconds later, that the fielder is no longer near the base.<br /><br />(2) Getting help is so in vogue that here's another case of an umpire getting the call wrong after getting help. I'm sure that Leyland would've been run anyway, but here's an incorrect call (IMO) and 2 ejections after going for help. Some help. Thank goodness I don't have to worry about feeling forced to get such "help" myself.<br /><br />Concurring Opinion, <b>tmac</b>:<br />Upon review, the 1st baseman's toe is connected to the bag after he catches the ball. It's my favorite optical illusion play. The call was originally correct and I am voting to overturn the original ruling.<br /><br />Therefore, the Board reverses the Original Ruling, in part and affirms in part.<br /><br />Confirmed: None<br />Upheld: None<br />Overturned: <b>tmac, Albertaumpire, RichMSN</b><br />Deferred: None<br />Abstained: <b>Gil (Posted Original Ruling), Jeremy (owns Carpazza), BillMueller, yawetag (owns Foster)</b><br /><br />Quality of Correctness has been reversed, in part, and affirmed, in part, unanimously, 3-0.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-45404501345069958602012-08-20T08:27:46.268-07:002012-08-20T08:27:46.268-07:00Rum Jones 8/18 8:36 AM...
Please forgive me if I m...Rum Jones 8/18 8:36 AM...<br />Please forgive me if I missed it while scanning earlier; but thanks Rum for pointing out the Timmons issue--what was he thinking getting involved in a bang bang play at 1B from HP? Doing that to the crew chief much less? Joe West mighta run him from the game!<br /><br />I think Vic got the Reynolds ejection right.<br />I don't think it mattered much who tossed Buck; maybe they should have done it simultaneously like the three stooges--but he was going to go.<br /><br />In the end, Timmons had better have bought the first round after the game--and probably dinner, too; what the heck was he thinking???<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-53496639313975080232012-08-19T23:41:48.487-07:002012-08-19T23:41:48.487-07:00Challenge the Buck EJ. NEC, he's arguing the R...Challenge the Buck EJ. NEC, he's arguing the Reynolds ejection, not the play. See lips and post game conference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63747171700489364272012-08-19T09:07:22.810-07:002012-08-19T09:07:22.810-07:00@Anon 9:01am, safe/out calls as to base runners ar...@Anon 9:01am, safe/out calls as to base runners are expressly mentioned as being judgment calls ("umpire's decision which involves judgment") in Rule 9.02(a). <br /><br />I can't link from my phone, but there is a PDF copy of the 2012 Edition Rules on MLB.com if you wish to verify. Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-88987709435571496502012-08-19T08:50:43.821-07:002012-08-19T08:50:43.821-07:00Zac does not know what rat means. He calls everybo...Zac does not know what rat means. He calls everybody who ever gets thrown out a rat. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-88066423458323258472012-08-18T23:24:07.660-07:002012-08-18T23:24:07.660-07:00Ruth had to deal with it, Aaron, Mickey, Ted, and ...Ruth had to deal with it, Aaron, Mickey, Ted, and even Reggie all had to deal with it.<br />Statistics will not relate. That's why baseball is so different. Era's can be compared and argued. <br />To now add computers, and now replay is just simply sad.<br />No longer will the Veteran get the calls. The rookie will get the same zone as the great Wade Boggs.<br />And of course the biggest crime will be all the whistling after bad calls like they do in Tennis.<br />Shit why even play the game? Just enter the stats into a computer and let it predict the entire season and W.S. Champion.<br />Why fly a kite when you can pop a pill?<br />Why bow and arrow hunt? Nuke'em!<br />Why cook your own food? Resturante's my friends!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78409577804534603042012-08-18T22:12:46.581-07:002012-08-18T22:12:46.581-07:00Zac, it really has gotten old you calling everybod...Zac, it really has gotten old you calling everybody rats. You can stop now. I only see one rat..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-91357726495146430152012-08-18T21:59:26.948-07:002012-08-18T21:59:26.948-07:00This is getting ridiculous. Instead of crew confer...This is getting ridiculous. Instead of crew conferences, which as we can see sometimes end up doing more harm than good, why doesn't MLB just use instant replay here? As soon as Kellogg made this call, a 5th umpire (or whoever) could immediately begin reviewing the call and would have seen that Kellogg got it right. <br />People on this site love to talk about how much they support umpires, but by denying these guys the use of replay, you are actually setting them up to look like fools. What kind of support is that? Could someone like RichMSN or BAPACop please answer that?<br />Do you really think Tim Timmons enjoys looking incompetent at his job? How about Tim Welke? Dare I say Jim Joyce?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-28712577040217266062012-08-18T16:21:11.795-07:002012-08-18T16:21:11.795-07:00From the link above....
Mark Reynolds when asked ...From the link above....<br /><br />Mark Reynolds when asked if he thought he would be ejected for throwing his glove:<br /><br />"That’s terrible. [Second-base umpire] Vic [Carapazza] has no authority to throw me out right there. All I did was an equipment violation. It’s a fine. You are supposed to point at it and the league offices decide what to do there. He just threw me out right there. I didn’t do anything wrong. If I go up to him and say something to him, that I shouldn’t say, that’s fine. Throw me out there for that. But you can’t throw me out for throwing my glove. What’s the difference between a guy throwing his helmet after a bad call? It’s just part of it and everybody goes on their way. He had no right to throw me out there. There’s just so many words I can’t say on this camera right now that I want to say."<br /><br />Rat, rat, rat. Quit throwing your glove like a little baby. Carapazza absolutely has the authority to eject his sorry ass, and I'm glad he did.<br /><br />I am tired of umpires getting dumped on by rat players/managers, announcers with their heads planted firmly in their asses, and idiotic fans who blindly follow what each of the two former groups have to say.<br /><br />I'd like to second RichMSN's comment above as well. If you don't think a safe/out call at a base is a judgment call, you are just plain stupid.Zachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17288543795321578552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63884013514560332012-08-18T15:53:44.812-07:002012-08-18T15:53:44.812-07:00Well, let's hope Reynolds strikes out looking ...Well, let's hope Reynolds strikes out looking in half of his at-bats for the rest of the year. You may not like that, but guess what, maybe it would teach the players to zip it! After all, I doubt Torre will do much about it.UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-58010240643685132522012-08-18T14:13:35.761-07:002012-08-18T14:13:35.761-07:00@ Zac from 8:45
Boy, that was harsh, but you are ...@ Zac from 8:45<br /><br />Boy, that was harsh, but you are 100% percent right.UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-42246417139953523802012-08-18T12:23:47.441-07:002012-08-18T12:23:47.441-07:00Although Reynolds was pissed on the Markakis play ...Although Reynolds was pissed on the Markakis play at HP in 1st, from the angle shown on DET feed, it appeared Avila had the plate blocked and made the tag before Markakis got any part of plate.<br /><br />Timmons mechanics on that play will not go into any manual. He initially was on left side of plate to rule on the roller up the 1B line as to whether it was fair or foul, then after calling that fair, he hops behind the plate to get a better view and then makes another hop to avoid the sliding runner.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849763853965389444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-82073952545065616552012-08-18T11:39:46.482-07:002012-08-18T11:39:46.482-07:00If UEFL had a "like" button, I would cli...If UEFL had a "like" button, I would click it on Rich's comment.Crickethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06216709036280564160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-39733192609033563732012-08-18T11:38:42.401-07:002012-08-18T11:38:42.401-07:00Marty Foster. The same hot-headed, thin-skinned, u...Marty Foster. The same hot-headed, thin-skinned, uneducated, angry joke he's always been. <br /><br />If the other umpires' job is to get the manager away, what is the remedy when the umpire keeps charging the manager? Only a wannabe bully punk jumps at the manager with sloppy jaws flapping, while two other umpires hold the manager back. <br /><br />If Marty Foster wants a piece of showalter, then he needs to grow a pair and get it without his posse backing him up. Be a man you punk. Curt Crowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704349341530572678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-49801115336360297782012-08-18T11:23:06.061-07:002012-08-18T11:23:06.061-07:00Epic comments by Reynolds....I'm not agreeing ...Epic comments by Reynolds....I'm not agreeing with everything he is saying, but he makes some great points - I am guessing that if he gets fined, his teammates will pick up the tab!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-90067738897952755912012-08-18T10:10:39.224-07:002012-08-18T10:10:39.224-07:00Rich i just wanted to tell you your opinions are n...Rich i just wanted to tell you your opinions are not your opinions and this site is not about umnpiring!! Can i win for dumbest comment ever?tmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15801025280017627526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-79289952430246089882012-08-18T09:24:56.357-07:002012-08-18T09:24:56.357-07:00"Just wanted to point out that out/safe at ba..."Just wanted to point out that out/safe at bases are not judgement calls. A judgement call is something like a check-swing where the umpire must judge intent, etc. Safe/out have clear parameters that must be met. That's all."<br /><br />Congratulations. This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this site -- and that's an accomplishment in itself.RichMSNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18384563269998106611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-86124245740554124432012-08-18T09:01:24.356-07:002012-08-18T09:01:24.356-07:00Just wanted to point out that out/safe at bases ar...Just wanted to point out that out/safe at bases are not judgement calls. A judgement call is something like a check-swing where the umpire must judge intent, etc. Safe/out have clear parameters that must be met. That's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-44480177567853378912012-08-18T09:00:10.716-07:002012-08-18T09:00:10.716-07:00First off, how can you overturn a call like that w...First off, how can you overturn a call like that when you can't even tell for sure he was off the base. Second, I don't think he was. The top of his shoe is still on the base when his glove closesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-9741832523956432302012-08-18T08:36:13.449-07:002012-08-18T08:36:13.449-07:001. Jim Palmer is flat out unbearable.
2. What is T...1. Jim Palmer is flat out unbearable.<br />2. What is Timmons thinking here? This is most definitely a tough call and I know I've missed my fair share with a pulled foot at 1st...but if you're going to interject yourself into a play and overturn a call at 1st, you have to be 110% sure. <br />3. To the admins...your judgement of correct/incorrect continues to baffle me! Rum Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-1535497217156000992012-08-18T08:02:45.906-07:002012-08-18T08:02:45.906-07:00Mark Reynolds blasts the umpires after the game:
...Mark Reynolds blasts the umpires after the game:<br /><br />http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-mark-reynolds-unplugged-orioles-first-baseman-rips-umpires-after-reversed-call-20120817,0,192180.storyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-69305459533946066172012-08-18T06:46:06.857-07:002012-08-18T06:46:06.857-07:00Here's my question; Why did Foster interject i...Here's my question; Why did Foster interject into the conversation with Buck and Timmons/Kellogg? That's not his place to speak; that's more antagonizing/baiting Buck for a response/ejection. Also, it never seemed as if Kellogg asked for help; Timmons just got with him and discussed and talked him out of his original/ correct call<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-77944438157487120722012-08-18T05:23:48.664-07:002012-08-18T05:23:48.664-07:00jim palmer is one of the best commentators in the ...jim palmer is one of the best commentators in the game- the original call was correct- he may have been off on a few points but is an overall good announcer- and no one saw Reynolds throw his glove only Carrapazza did non of the other umpires- In the ejection filled game in Pittsburgh when Kemp and Mattingly got tossed, Hanley Ramirez threw his bat after a strike out clearly showing up the umpire and Campos gave the indication of a fine- hard to tell but I think they made the right call initially but it makes sense that Timmons was the one you overturned itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-66887292874959288322012-08-18T04:47:07.005-07:002012-08-18T04:47:07.005-07:00I'm not sure F3 had firm control of the ball w...I'm not sure F3 had firm control of the ball while his toe was on the bag, and there's no video angle looking into the glove.<br /><br />Kellogg *did* give a "point" mechanic before the original out call. Wonder what was said in the pow-wow that convinced him to change the call.Jim Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-34410688259482414982012-08-18T00:41:47.772-07:002012-08-18T00:41:47.772-07:00Ump Atty, very good comment about Kellog being dow...Ump Atty, very good comment about Kellog being down on one knee. I like the kneeling mechanic on bangers because I feel it gives me the steadiest look, however in this situation perhaps had he been standing he would have had a better look at Reynolds foot, and stood with his original call. A mechanic I was taught years ago, was to point and verbalize quite loudly, YES he held the bag, or something to that extent. A manager who is charging out to argue, hears that and will "sometimes change his mind, if he is knows you are aware of a close pulled foot. Spence1222noreply@blogger.com