tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post8370755529838281547..comments2024-01-18T06:49:55.117-08:00Comments on Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League: Ejection 042: Gary Cederstrom (1)Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-54784443888946495682012-06-02T08:54:21.619-07:002012-06-02T08:54:21.619-07:00I'm a little late on this, but who is Cris Rui...I'm a little late on this, but who is Cris Ruiz?UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-10529023089738951912012-05-24T12:45:35.428-07:002012-05-24T12:45:35.428-07:00That pitch was a strikeThat pitch was a strikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-49077140226354632402012-05-23T13:19:55.424-07:002012-05-23T13:19:55.424-07:00@Jon Terry - thank you for continuing to be a voic...@Jon Terry - thank you for continuing to be a voice of sanity and reason. I truly appreciate your assessments and posts.<br /><br />At this level if you, as a catcher, move your mitt that much (on this type of pitch), it's going to be called a ball. That's the other part of the human element that people rarely talk about (other than here, of course) not the umpire, but the catcher. In many cases, catchers have 'bought' strikes by being alert to pitches, getting out in front and grabbing that strike. In this case, the pendulum went the other way. I believe it evens out in the end.Dave Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11774011275701482305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-61869359210032622672012-05-23T12:55:55.544-07:002012-05-23T12:55:55.544-07:00After review, the original Quality of Correctness ...After review, the original Quality of Correctness of "Correct" has been affirmed in a unanimous 6-0 decision by the UEFL Appeals Board. Six Appeals Board members elected to Confirm the Original Ruling and zero elected to Overturn it.<br /><br />In reviewing this ruling, the Board considered whether or not Pitch #2 was a ball or a strike. With a px value of 0.883, the Board determined this pitch was in the borderline range established by <a href="http://portal.closecallsports.com/uefl-rules" rel="nofollow">Rule 6-2-b-1</a>, the Kulpa Rule. The Board found, that without any margin of error, home plate shall run from -0.833 to +0.833: Without any margin of error, this pitch would conclusively be a ball. Furterhmore, pitch f/x has been proven to possess a 0.5-inch accuracy at the front plane of home plate, if properly calibrated. Assuming a calibration error of 0.1 inches (2010 number for PHI), this is, at most a 0.6-inch margin of error, which extends the 0.833 zone to an assumed 100% confidence interval of (0.792, 0.875). Because the measured px value of 0.883 is outside of this assumed 100% confidence interval, the Board unanimously confirms the call of Ball.<br /><br />Because the pitch in question was a two-seam fastball, the Board unilaterally rejects the argument that the pitch might have entered the strike zone behind the front edge of home plate: As no other pitches called Ball during this half inning were closer to the strike zone than Pitch #2, the Board affirms the Original Ruling of Pitch Exemption ineligibility.<br /><br />Therefore, the Board unanimously affirms the Original Ruling.<br /><br />Confirmed: <b>Gil, tmac, Albertaumpire, BillMueller, RichMSN, yawetag</b><br />Upheld: None<br />Overturned: None<br />Deferred: None<br />Abstained: <b>Jeremy (Posted Original QOC)</b><br /><br />Quality of Correctness has been affirmed, 6-0.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-63801828989910237482012-05-23T06:10:03.328-07:002012-05-23T06:10:03.328-07:00I'm a lifelong Phillies fan and Ruiz is a very...I'm a lifelong Phillies fan and Ruiz is a very good catcher. But he was turned around way too long here.<br /><br />The pitch could've been called either way. That's my look at it. Ruiz, had he stuck the pitch where he caught it instead of moving his glove, may have gotten that call. But borderline pitches, when the catcher moves the glove, make it really easy for the plate guy to call a ball.RichMSNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18384563269998106611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-23873201441782516382012-05-23T03:50:42.638-07:002012-05-23T03:50:42.638-07:00Catchers gotta know he can't turn around. That...Catchers gotta know he can't turn around. That's automatic. Only umpires are allowed to "show up" a player or manager; not the other way around!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-6279206461259216572012-05-23T00:28:52.812-07:002012-05-23T00:28:52.812-07:00MLB umpires are given a two inch buffer on both si...MLB umpires are given a two inch buffer on both sides of the plate. If a pitch passes through the buffer and it is called a strike, they are given credit for a correct call. I'm not sure if this is because the league wants strikes called or because the technology has a margin of error. Either way, why not call the pitch a strike and keep the batters swinging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-23377503177201982892012-05-23T00:20:44.006-07:002012-05-23T00:20:44.006-07:00here's the mlb video: http://mlb.mlb.com/video...here's the mlb video: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21663539rednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-14551623237277018162012-05-22T21:41:38.141-07:002012-05-22T21:41:38.141-07:00I would submit that people who argue against this ...I would submit that people who argue against this call are not umpires. I would also say that people who don't like the 'may or may not' language on borderline calls also are not umpires. Here is why.<br /><br />Umpires know that how a catcher handles a borderline pitch is a factor in how the pitch is called. Now I suppose it could be argued that at the major league level, with electronic pitch tracking, that this might not happen. However, I recently sent Gil the link to a study that shows otherwise.<br /><br />In the video, it can clearly be seen that the catcher reached for, snatched, and pulled the pitch back toward him. By doing so, he makes the pitch look farther out than it actually is, costing himself the borderline call. Better catchers get more calls. Perhaps a more skillful catcher gets this call.<br /><br />We all also know that no matter how much technological watchdogging we do, we can't possibly have every umpire calling precisely the same strike zone. Some are wider, some are tighter. That will never change, as long as humans are calling. That's another reasonable knock against a hard line.<br /><br />Finally, I agree with the poster earlier who criticized the probably Phillie fan, who disputed the electronic evidence and mistakenly claimed the pitch was heart of the plate. Last year multiple managers were ejected after arguing calls made with the aid of replay. If fans, players and managers aren't willing to believe technology blindly, then there is no benefit in using it.<br /><br />In the long run, I can certainly see how an umpire could make this call either way, and be perfectly right.Jon Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536926849992961224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-78791593077314615842012-05-22T21:22:30.207-07:002012-05-22T21:22:30.207-07:00To add to the discussion of the strike zone and Pi...To add to the discussion of the strike zone and PitchFx, I think it would be interesting to see what the difference between location on pitches at the front plane and the rear plane (arguably the point, but realistically the back of the square portion of the plate). After all, a strike is a ball that passes over the plate within the vertical bounds, not a pitch that crosses the front of the plate within the vertical bounds.JPINFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08039799101010034695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-30859119150461565312012-05-22T21:20:54.677-07:002012-05-22T21:20:54.677-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JPINFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08039799101010034695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-2897816688447393082012-05-22T21:05:00.319-07:002012-05-22T21:05:00.319-07:00Im surprised that no one mentioned that Ruiz pulle...Im surprised that no one mentioned that Ruiz pulled that pitch back towards the middle of the plate. Dead give away that he didnt think it was a strike either. It was a good job and looked fluid but it was obvious that he caught it on the inside corner and pulled it back to the middle.<br /><br />Catchers that do that kind of stuff can cost their pitcher a pitch an inning by doing that. And that is a lot of pitches over a season.Arikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15389225900582557981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-36520938759281324342012-05-22T20:53:19.958-07:002012-05-22T20:53:19.958-07:00If you're looking for Mr. Cederstrom's wor...If you're looking for Mr. Cederstrom's worst call (or perhaps controversial is a better word) it was on June 23, 1994. He was the original Jim Joyce and Bobby Witt played the role of Armando Galarraga. Although like Mr. Joyce, he is a good umpire and has served the game well over many years. We are all human.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-21924623527141384032012-05-22T20:47:02.234-07:002012-05-22T20:47:02.234-07:00yes and that pitch too forgot about that one thank...yes and that pitch too forgot about that one thank you good point that one was bad tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-75469865686178703472012-05-22T20:34:37.350-07:002012-05-22T20:34:37.350-07:00@ anon 8:09.. I believe the strike you are talking...@ anon 8:09.. I believe the strike you are talking about was to Johhny Damon and i think it was determined it was 7 inches center of ball which is quite a bit off the plate but not 16... why not go for 100 inches while you're at it!!tmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15801025280017627526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-83845277311580807992012-05-22T20:31:05.366-07:002012-05-22T20:31:05.366-07:00And he worked the world series last year and is ea...And he worked the world series last year and is easily one of the best CC's and umpires in the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-76610389583208323182012-05-22T20:09:32.899-07:002012-05-22T20:09:32.899-07:00well the last couple of years he used instant repl...well the last couple of years he used instant replay on a play he couldn't and also call a strike in detroit that was 16 inches off the plateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-38844556124611269212012-05-22T20:04:42.800-07:002012-05-22T20:04:42.800-07:00@7:33pm, keen observation; unfortunately, the one ...@7:33pm, keen observation; unfortunately, the one limitation we have in that regard is the accuracy of the Pitch f/x system. Sportvision <a href="http://www.sportvision.com/base-pitchfx.html" rel="nofollow">claims an accuracy</a> of "to within an inch," which is the benchmark we have used since the technology debuted. Marv White <a href="http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?84245-Pitch-f-x-accuracy" rel="nofollow">has declared</a> pitch f/x to be accurate to within half of an inch at the front edge of home plate, <a href="http://webusers.npl.uiuc.edu/~a-nathan/pob/ppt/SABR38_June08.ppt" rel="nofollow">as has</a> Dr. Alan Nathan. This does not account for seasonal calibration error; In Philadelphia, for instance, average horizontal error for pitch f/x is very low, <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=13109" rel="nofollow">estimated at an average of</a> 0.1 inches after calibration in 2010, after a 0.4-inch error in 2009.<br /><br />Unfortunately (or fortunately for umpires), we have decided to err on the side of awarding umpires with a correct calls given a lack of evidence to the contrary: Correct until proven incorrect.<br /><br />The good news here is that as the pitch f/x technology improves—and I'm mainly referring to pitch f/x calibration, as the technology itself is already within 0.5 inches of accuracy—I fully expect the Kulpa Rule to gradually decrease the "borderline" zone until it is all but eliminated.<br /><br />Again, it depends on the continued improvment of pitch f/x calibration, but that day will eventually be upon us; when it is, expect that hard horizontal value.Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06361341904305010488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-51574445321487890532012-05-22T19:49:53.583-07:002012-05-22T19:49:53.583-07:00@ Anon 7:46
That's all you've got to stay...@ Anon 7:46<br /><br />That's all you've got to stay? I'd imagine so, seeing as there is nothing you can say to support your claim.UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-20427376010026802642012-05-22T19:46:23.033-07:002012-05-22T19:46:23.033-07:00all i got to say as long as gary cederstrom is ump...all i got to say as long as gary cederstrom is umpiring bob davidson will never be the worst umpire in the majors!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-85859443148754956302012-05-22T19:33:43.282-07:002012-05-22T19:33:43.282-07:00This website has made many improvements (especiall...This website has made many improvements (especially over this past off-season), but the one glaring flaw is still the Kulpa Rule.<br /><br />"May be Deemed a Strike or a Ball" by definition is not an objective examination of what took place on the diamond — it's a cop-out that defers to the call that was made, which again, defies objective analysis.<br /><br />I propose a hard horizontal value that has nothing to do with the call on the diamond. All that should be examined is the location of the pitch, and the metrics of what constitutes a ball and a strike. To include the on-the-diamond ruling in any interpretation is not an objective analysis of the play.<br /><br />Hopefully this website keeps improving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-75827394651072620432012-05-22T19:18:27.522-07:002012-05-22T19:18:27.522-07:00That's a strike all day.That's a strike all day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-47334905192726897242012-05-22T18:51:21.154-07:002012-05-22T18:51:21.154-07:00You should just deny all challenges on ball-strike...You should just deny all challenges on ball-strike calls. The proof is in the chart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-73532241361163644062012-05-22T18:49:21.961-07:002012-05-22T18:49:21.961-07:00How in the world was this pitch "right down t...How in the world was this pitch "right down the middle of the plate"?UmpsRulenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4917712291092871273.post-52298203332391523262012-05-22T18:40:29.655-07:002012-05-22T18:40:29.655-07:00not a strike never has been a strike never will be...not a strike never has been a strike never will be.... if that same call went against a phillie player and was called a strike they'd be nuts.. that's why they are FANS...short for fanatic or fanatical... not fantastic!!! <br /><br />That all being said... fans pay for the players which long story short give the umpires $$$$ which allows us to talk on a website about a game!!! How cool are the fans now?? Very!!tmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15801025280017627526noreply@blogger.com